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Unread postAuthor: mega_swordman » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:38 pm

So the marshmallow cannon is considered a firearm. However, there is an interesting wording at the end of section f) which list a number of things then ends with "and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person."
Does this mean that it is not a firearm if the projectile is over three-eighths of an inch in diameter or am I reading it wrong?
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Unread postAuthor: A a r o n » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:07 pm

NJ's laws suck so much. I live there too.

My dad's lawyer friend said that they are illegal, but that doesn't stop me.

Where in NJ are you from?
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Unread postAuthor: TurboSuper » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:33 pm

That's rediculous, are Nerf guns illegal in New Jersey too?
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Unread postAuthor: DYI » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:33 pm

Does this mean that it is not a firearm if the projectile is over three-eighths of an inch in diameter or am I reading it wrong?


I believe that you are correct. This makes it a "destructive device", not a firearm. The ATF however, makes an exception for potato guns that are firing vegetables for recreational purposes.

I wonder how the bowling ball mortar on Doc's Machine is classified?
"Uh, yes, I'd like to register this 8.5" bore blackpowder cannon that I made from an old sewer pipe"
"Ummm..."
*muttering under breath about broken button on silent alarm*
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Unread postAuthor: bluerussetboy » Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:28 pm

mega_swordman wrote:Does this mean that it is not a firearm if the projectile is over three-eighths of an inch in diameter or am I reading it wrong?


No, it means that any firearm which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person is included.

f. "Firearm" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectable ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances. It shall also include, without limitation, any firearm which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in
diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person.


While the ATF says spudguns and alcohol and tobacco are all legal, states and cities can outlaw the use of each one. Jersey's firearm laws are the strictest in the US. Occasionally they are questioned in court, but rarely lose.

Jersey sucks
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Unread postAuthor: jimmy101 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:46 am

bluerussetboy, you didn't highlight an important paragraph;
c. "Destructive device" means any device, instrument or object designed to explode or produce uncontrolled combustion, including (1) any explosive or incendiary bomb, mine or grenade; (2) any rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces or any missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter of an ounce; (3) any weapon capable of firing a projectile of a caliber greater than 60 caliber, except a shotgun or shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes; (4) any Molotov cocktail or other device consisting of a breakable container containing flammable liquid and having a wick or similar device capable of being ignited. The term does not include any device manufactured for the purpose of illumination, distress signaling, line-throwing, safety or similar purposes.

A marshmallow gun wouldn't quailfy under the part B but many spudguns would qualify under either "uncontrolled combustion" or caliber greater than 60.

BTW, it really doesn't matter what the gun laws are for the great state of Jersey. Things are much more anal when it comes to what is permitted on a school campus, particularly a K12 campus. In some places, plastic knives aren't allowed in the cafeteria.

I would thing that, technically, a treb would be illegal as well on most K12 campuses.
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Unread postAuthor: socoj2 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:03 pm

. "Firearm" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectable ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances.


1. You are not using a cartridge or a Shell.
2. You are not using the action of explosive or Igniting flammable or explosive substance.

Pneumatics are not covered under this law.



I am not a lawyer, and more specifically defiantly not your lawyer. Consult an actuall attorney *though they will most likely agree with me*
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Unread postAuthor: judgment_arms » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:29 pm

Tell ‘em it’s a prototype long range pneumatic hammer used for driving nails into the tops of walls for hanging siding and sheetrock. :)

As long as it’s on private property they can’t take it with out a written warrant.
And ain’t there something about the government not taking something of the peoples with out due compensation?

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Second Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Tenth Amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Basically the Second Amendment say we can have guns, the Tenth Amendment says that the states can’t override the Bill of Rights.

If the cops don’t by that there’s this:

Forth Amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Unread postAuthor: BrianMigs » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:54 pm

Finished my project. Now she changed her mind to just letting me unscrew it and take me home.

Although I did get into a discussion about who's cannon is better with that kid I was talking about........... :shock:
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Unread postAuthor: jimmy101 » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:58 pm

judgment_arms wrote:Second Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Some people would argue that the first clause is the key point, and that it specifically says the militia can, and should be, "well regulated".

Of course, a 200 caliber starch accelerator wouldn't be of much use to a militia.
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Unread postAuthor: BrianMigs » Fri Feb 01, 2008 11:50 pm

Thats just what they think

:) haha
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Unread postAuthor: jook13 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:38 am

dude, move over here to arizona. when it comes to anything related to guns, nobody cares about anything...
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Unread postAuthor: iknowmy3tables » Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:27 pm

didn't you guy's hear there is a supreme court case in the spring about the 2nd amendment, it was started over the D.C. gun laws and it's the first time the 2nd amendment has been mentioned in over 60 years (I forget the date exactly)

finally this is going to be clarified and and the legislations of cites like D.C. and New York will be in for a surpise
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