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Unread postAuthor: MaxuS the 2nd » Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:37 am

Yeah, whenever I buy mine it's always in person. I would never buy lengths of pipe over the net.

MaxuS the 2nd wrote:I usually only buy 1m or 2m at a time, so obviously it's going to be cheaper than a 3m length.
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:13 am

PVC isn't so popular in europe as it is in US.. AFAIK BtB had some problems with getting pressure rated PVC... I don't use PVC but it is available here (but almost not used at all) and it isn't very expensive. but hey why would I use PVC if I can get some cheap steel and all the fittings ?

The great thing about using steel pipes and malleable iron fittings is the fact that once you buy one you can use it to build one gun, then scrap it and use it again to build another gun. So in other words after several months you can have a nice collection of fittings valves etc.

on the other hand I admitt that fittings are rather pricey in larger sizes (2.5" and bigger)
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:02 am

MaxuS the 2nd wrote:Yeah, whenever I buy mine it's always in person. I would never buy lengths of pipe over the net.

I've never had one problem with this myself.

More often, I find that my local B&Q and Homebase stores carry nothing but abused pipe I wouldn't buy - the pipe I've ordered across the net has never been anything but flawless.
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Unread postAuthor: noob of noobs » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:43 am

Although this is probably the lamest idea to avoid money problems, I find that limiting my armory itself works well. I'm busy enough as it is, and spudding is a bit expensive for my stingy budget. Instead of building cannons, I personally spend about two months of designing and thinking before I buy one piece. This allows me to build a gun efficiently and allows my budget to recover. Also, building small guns is obviously quite cheaper than larger ones.
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Unread postAuthor: watto » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:11 am

Try seducing a wealthy business man and getting him to put you in his will...then when he least expects it..BAM the old fork in the eye...

When I was 15 I got a job as a labourer, just stacking heavy stuff driving forklifts, painting etc... at first I was on minimum wage like 500 bucks a week, but then after I proved I could cut it with the big boys I got put onto the adult wage which turned out about 1700 bucks a week for 12hour days...You gotta start small man and work your way up :wink:
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Unread postAuthor: bigbob12345 » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:15 am

You got expelled, how'd you accoplish that :roll:
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Unread postAuthor: watto » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:58 am

blowing up wheelie bins and selling marijuana :twisted:
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:31 am

@watto: Ah, you've reminded me of when I did a search for one of my old(er) signatures on Google - most hits related to me, but a hit came up which rather surprised me... it seems that a certain person was using it on a marijuana advice site. :wink:
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Unread postAuthor: Counterstriker » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:48 am

I am pretty sure 15 is the age for bagging at grocery stores.. Atleast where I live, I am getting my first pay check tues!! I can't wait! :D
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Unread postAuthor: SpudBlaster15 » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:08 pm

MrCrowley wrote:Spudding is an expensive hobby. I could buy one helluva air rifle for the $2500 + (NZD) i've spent on spudding.

Yes, you can spend alot more on other hobbys, but spudding is expensive if you don't live in America/Canada.


Spudding does not have to be expensive, even for people who don't live in the USA/Canada. Sure, parts may cost more in New Zealand and Australia, but what is wrong with ordering fittings and valves from United States based suppliers, and having the parts sent in a USPS international flat rate box for a price that is reasonable and constant throughout the world? Then, you only have to pay large amounts for lengths of PVC pipe, which shouldn't be too crippling.

Even so, the amount you will pay for even PVC parts marked up by a factor of 13 is minuscule compared to the amount you will pay for most other hobbies. Even Nitro R/C cars, whose cost is still minuscule compared to most other "vehicle" based hobbies is one of them. Want to upgrade your transmitter and receiver? Ok, there's $200 - $300. Want to buy a more powerful engine? Drop $200 and you will have an engine, but wait, you will also need suitable clutch shoes ($50 - $100), a new clutch bell to raise the gear ratio ($15 - $20), and in some cases, a new air filter ($20). How long will this engine last? Well, generally around 8 - 9 gallons of fuel, which is about 2 - 3 months of operation for me. Then you will require a new piston and sleeve, that will be another $100. Oh, and the 8 - 9 gallons of fuel I used? Well, it is $35 per gallon.

And that is just a start. You will break parts, and lots of them. Mainly drivetrain and suspension components on an off-road vehicle. Rebuilding the drivetrain on most 4WD vehicles to withstand high performance engines will cost you anywhere from $100 - $300, depending on how much abuse you put it through while driving. A single pair of replacement suspension arms will run you around $20, and aluminum "upgrades" will be somewhere over $50 per pair. And this is once again just a small step up from a start.

As far as my spudding expenses, the only PVC components that are reasonably priced are the 1" nominal diameter and lower. From the only local source I have, a 4" pressure rated endcap is $30. A 4" pressure rated elbow is $35, and a 4" pressure rated T fitting is $40. 2" nominal diameter parts range from $10 - $20. Outrageous. I could easily spend as much as you do on a launcher, but I don't. Why? Because as is not the case in Nitro R/C, components that are more readily available and more often put to use in construction applications exist. 1" nominal diameter PVC components, ABS components, and copper, steel, and brass components are readily available for a fraction of the cost if you look in the right places. I'm sure you would find the same if you truly wanted to.

Too many people give in to the "OMG, spudding is soooo expensive" attitude after trying a few resources and finding that certain components are pushing the limits of their budget. In a hobby like this, there will always be cheap (and even free) sources of materials if you put enough thought into finding them.
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:21 pm

SpudBlaster15 wrote:
MrCrowley wrote:Spudding is an expensive hobby. I could buy one helluva air rifle for the $2500 + (NZD) i've spent on spudding.

Yes, you can spend alot more on other hobbys, but spudding is expensive if you don't live in America/Canada.


Spudding does not have to be expensive, even for people who don't live in the USA/Canada. Sure, parts may cost more in New Zealand and Australia, but what is wrong with ordering fittings and valves from United States based suppliers, and having the parts sent in a USPS international flat rate box for a price that is reasonable and constant throughout the world? Then, you only have to pay large amounts for lengths of PVC pipe, which shouldn't be too crippling.


I tried that with sgort87, I saved like $3NZD. Shipping was $28US for about 8 2" fittings. And don't even get me started with lengths of pipe.

I couldn't say I know anyone that's into REC, so compared to everyone around here, Spudding is expensive. We don't exactly have dirtbikes and whatnot where I live. Come to think of it, i'm not sure many people have a hobby, they just play sport.

There's a limit to how much you can get for free, my first cannon was made out of pipe I found outside a house for example. I've never had another opportunity like that again.

And copper is cheaper and other metal pipe and fittings is cheaper over there then here, that's why Canadian spudders make a lot of high pressure metal cannons. Here I don't have that choice.

I can't even get high pressure without making a pump, getting CO2 is far too expensive.
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Unread postAuthor: MaxuS the 2nd » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:22 pm

Yes, but we're not talking about Nitro Cars, we're talking about spudding.

I think the way that lots of people see it when they say that spudding is expensive is that they know that they probably shouldn't be spending all that money on a device that fires garden vegetables. That's the way I see it when I say that spudding is too expensive. Well, that and the fact that it costs a ridiculous amount of money.

SpudBlaster, you may be willing to spend an outrageous amount of money a launcher, but there are lots of people who would prefer to keep costs to a minimum, and sometimes it's just not worth it.

Given the choice between spending £200 on spudding and putting £200 in the bank, the bank would win.

Seriously though, good for you, you're one of the lucky souls who has enough money to spend on whatever they want. The same cannot be said for the vast majority of people.
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Unread postAuthor: SpudBlaster15 » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:21 pm

Maxus, are you retarded? Go back and read my post. You completely missed the point.

I referenced Nitro cars because despite their relatively low expense compared to most hobbies, spudding is FAR less expensive.

I am NOT willing to spend large sums of money on launchers. The most expensive launcher I have ever built cost less than $100 for parts. $100 will build you one hell of a launcher if you have a functioning neurological system, but will buy a minuscule amount in most other areas.

I only wish that I had enough money to buy whatever I want, but if you were able to comprehend my posts in this thread, you would realize that I actually make very little money compared to everyone with a job. Despite this, spudding really isn't that hard on my wallet, because it doesn't have to be.
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Unread postAuthor: Blitz » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:41 pm

You need to distinguish though, between casual spudding and something more dedicated. I'm just casual, I really have little time between my job which nearly consumes my life and my wife, who consumes the other half :) But it's fun making smaller, simpler launchers and checking having fun with the fruits of my labor shooting nerf footballs in the air for our friends to catch -- we have a blast with these things.

And if you stay casual budget-wise, it can be very rewarding. But really, it's all in what you get out of it based on spendin money you're willing to give up. Fortunately for me, that's not a high amount. :) If your enjoyment requires spending a lot of money in this hobby, then maybe you're right.
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Unread postAuthor: watto » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:36 pm

Ragnarok wrote:@watto: Ah, you've reminded me of when I did a search for one of my old(er) signatures on Google - most hits related to me, but a hit came up which rather surprised me... it seems that a certain person was using it on a marijuana advice site. :wink:


hey man there could be millions of other wattos out there hehe :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I knew this day would come...

Although I beleive I heard that one on mythbusters before I saw it on you 8) ... by the way It's a seedbank forum not a marijuana advice site.
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