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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:39 am

Ragnarok wrote:Either that, or they were smoking some very strong old tweed socks.


That's the option I'd go for. Their weapons are unrealistic in the sense that in the same way that a super heavy tank would not make sense today because it can be knocked out easily from the air and because it would find terrain hard to navigate, the same would apply in the future.

I'm speaking in military terms of course, they still make very cool stuff which I'm a fan of, though I don't actually collect the minatures.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:09 am

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:
Ragnarok wrote:Either that, or they were smoking some very strong old tweed socks.

That's the option I'd go for.

How did I guess you'd pick that one? :P

I'm speaking in military terms of course, they still make very cool stuff which I'm a fan of, though I don't actually collect the miniatures.

I'm not so much of a fan as I once was, although do have some of the models in various quantities. I cut back on their mainstream games when their prices started getting too exorbitant.

I do still occasionally play some of their specialist games, particularly Inquisitor, their large scale semi role-play game... if only for the obvious Monty Python references - "Nobody expects the Imperial Inquisition! Our chief weapon is a comically oversized pistol!"
It's quite fun really.

Because they make the rules for their specialist games free online, and I'm making my own models out of sculpting putties (got fed up of so many people with nearly similar models) , it's actually quite light on the pocket, unlike their mainstream games.
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Unread postAuthor: THUNDERLORD » Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:04 am

...it's said the regular army loses if it does not win, while it is enough for the guerrillas not to lose to continue dreaming about triumph...


Unfortunately that may become what happens. If it does it will be because a lot of people don't understand the situation or are politically motivated above the well being of their own country.

When you look at the facts, about 3000 civilians were smashed alive fell from burning buildings etc. while working or traveling on American soil, by suicide attack by al qaeda. Who are based in Afganistan. Who probably would have had safe haven or support from Iraq.

So when you look at Iraq as more a pre-emptive strike to achieve their purpose of war on al qaeda, it makes more sense. Then the problem is the US feels the civilian Iraqis caught in the middle should'nt suffer.
And there's the whole mess. It's all maybe more complicated than it should be.
But something had to be done about it.

Myself, I get confused or angry about many aspects of the way it's handled, the excuses used because of it and the loss of freedom and ignorant things resulting.
@POLAND_SPUD ,You made some good points and maybe I misinterpreted and over explained stuff in previous response here.
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Unread postAuthor: starman » Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:25 am

I would encourage those interested to read the history behind why Iraq had to be dealt with. There just wasn't some willy nilly decision in 2003 to suddenly kick Saddam's butt. Problems with Saddam had been brewing for many years, including his massively breaking the truce agreed upon in the first Gulf War in '91, ignoring 17 UN resolutions demanding compliance, and out and out bribery of several mostly European countries through the oil-for-food scandal.

Saddam was a threat in many ways. He should have been dealt with properly back in '91, but political correctness unfortunately stood in the way then. After the 9/11 attacks, it made perfect sense to finally deal with the meglomanical dictator.
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:19 am

Sadam was not much different from other dictators... even though you might think that he was bad becasue he used chemical weapons and stuff... there have always been bloody wars
what I am trying to say is that there wouldn't be any war with iraq if iraq wasn't located in region where it is.. if you know what I mean... :wink:

the reason why you've heard of him is not that he did something that other dictators don't do. Media are used to influence people's opinion so you are being informed about things that politicians want you to know


don't let youself get fooled into thinking that any country (including yours) takes out bad guys for moral reasons - it's basically all about money

countries are like big companies.... and when you run a bussiness you avoid situations when you have to spend a lot and get nothing in return
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Unread postAuthor: starman » Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:38 am

Read the history I pointed to above...the circumstances surrounding Saddam was not your average run-of-the-mill fat-head dictator situation.

That being said...this thread has drifted off topic pretty badly. I'm checking out of this line of conversation at this point.
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:50 am

I think you didn't understand my post... the reason that there is a page like the one you posted just proves my point

and I do not want to have a discussion about IRAQ and stuff - you have your own view of what happend and of what is going on and I have mine and it's not likely that any of us will 'convert' the other :wink:
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Unread postAuthor: THUNDERLORD » Sat Aug 02, 2008 3:30 am

This is my last reply in this thread, Unless something new and related to the original post pops up.

But I got to say, I agree with a lot of what POLAND wrote, Just not entirely. Also great link Starman added.
See it not one way or the other it's that there's Pro's and Con's.
So yes money is in almost every Gov't decision the Pro never the Con.
For public approval it's the humanity stuff thrown in that wins public over.

The money thing is not all bad. Heck America is one of the richest highest standard of living and opportunity because of that.
At the same time it bothers me that they have to lie about it being their motive and throw in humanitarian stuff and get hypocritical to get approval always. It's just how it works IMO.

Look at the seatbelt laws. It's almost like politicians go "It will save insurance companies and hospitals money" "AND the people will OK it because" it will "Save their lives". BINGO it passes.

It's not only pro's of money sometimes they're racially motivated for example going after tobbacco. It saves money for hospitals and insurance. But they also get democrat votes by slogans like "Tobbacco is run by (key word..._) older males who don't even smoke" Whoa!
Smoking was banned under the Clinton admin. in Gov't buildings Hmmm... but that's the party getting votes because dummies think they'll legalize pot one day yet THEY banned Tobbacco. AND set up theatrical trials to extort money from the companies. [rant/] (for the week)

BTW, I kind of liked saddam insome ways, self made etc. but if it's between where I live and him...it's whatever (Add that to money and BAM!) Cons were against him big time! see? :P 8)
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Unread postAuthor: MrCrowley » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:25 am

Discussion of Iraq or related ends with THUNDERLORD's post. No ifs or buts, this isn't the place to discuss it. I'm not taking sides either, I didn't even bother to read most of the posts by you three.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:48 am

Agreed, I think this is what should be the most telling photo from my visit:

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The cost of war - the hand makes a complete revolution every few seconds, adding another number to the digital counter, another ongoing casualty of war
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:54 am

uhmmm......... they are helping me to practice my english and reasoning by debating with me.. yeah that's it :D


It seems that Larda's hybrid could take out a Panzer II :shock:


@JSR true :roll:
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:58 am

POLAND_SPUD wrote:It seems that Larda's hybrid could take out a Panzer II


True, but the Panzer II could knock out Larda's hybrid from a little further away ;)
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Unread postAuthor: SEAKING9006 » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:43 pm

POLAND_SPUD wrote:Wars are all about money...During IIWW germans had the best tanks, some of them were real masterpieces (expensive) but eventually their economy couldn't produce enough of them that's why they were beaten...


That's the beautiful thing about the United States. We have the most industrial capacity out of any other country on earth, meaning we can afford to make craploads of a heavily-engineered masterpiece of a weapon. Take the M1A2. It's damn near perfect. It's armor is damn near impenetrable (Larda may fix that with his next project), and it can hit a football with it's main gun at two miles out. It's all about industry. Had Germany stockpiled it's tanks another year or so, or built more factories and secured more resources, WWII may have lasted until 1948. The Germans would still have lost, though, due to emerging tank and aircraft designs from the USSR and USA, which were becoming even more advanced than the German's, such as the T54/55 which was both faster and better armored than the Panther, the F80 shooting star, and the MiG-9. The Soviet Union's infrastructure would have given NATO a run for it's money had WWIII started, but Russia is in a pretty deep economic rut nowadays.
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Unread postAuthor: Mr.Sandman » Sat Aug 02, 2008 6:54 pm

there are some spudders that may be the exeption :D (such as joel suprise's wife!)
http://www.spudtech.com/content.asp?id=11
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Unread postAuthor: POLAND_SPUD » Sat Aug 02, 2008 7:54 pm

@seaking9006
Discussion of Iraq or related ends with THUNDERLORD's post. No ifs or buts, this isn't the place to discuss it. I'm not taking sides either, I didn't even bother to read most of the posts by you three.
I don't know what he really meant by saying that but I assume that waht yo uwrote is ok (since it's not about iraq)

That's the beautiful thing about the United States. We have the most industrial capacity out of any other country on earth
LOL not true.. if you still don't know what I am talking about watch TV on 8th August :wink: that's something US should be affraid... but if you checked what's the country of origin of most products you'd realize that it's already too late to do anything :shock:


The Soviet Union's infrastructure would have given NATO a run for it's money had WWIII started, but Russia is in a pretty deep economic rut nowadays.
I have to agree with the first part... if it had not been for the nuclear weapon hotwired would speak russian now.... :wink:

Russia had some serious economic problems after the collapse of the soviet union but now it's doing very well and they spend a lot of money on military and developing weapons.... some of tehm are really really advanced and original


@sandman
there are some spudders that may be the exeption :D (such as joel suprise's wife!)
http://www.spudtech.com/content.asp?id=11
lol that was mean... besides she seems fine to me :twisted:
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