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Unread postAuthor: qwerty » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:20 am

Off topic, but why are suppressors illeagle(SP?) in most countries? you would think that they would do good by making less noise or is it because it's easier to hide them if you have them illeagly.
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Unread postAuthor: spuddlymore » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:21 am

Not sure, but less likely to get caught in the first place. I'm gonna make something the size of a bucket out of the stuff they use underneath laminate floor, and old carpet.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:35 am

Off topic, but why are suppressors illeagle(SP?) in most countries? you would think that they would do good by making less noise or is it because it's easier to hide them if you have them illeagly.


Ill Eagle?

Illegal ;P

In the UK suppressors for airguns and firearms are not only legal but it is considered almost impolite not to have one due to noise pollution and H&S concerns.

Sadly the association of suppressed firearms with the criminal underworld - mostly propagated by the media - in the public eye means that they are hard to obtain through legal channels in most countries. The information to roll your own however is freely available though, and anyone with the skills to make a basic spudgun can make his own suppressor.
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Unread postAuthor: Lockednloaded » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:35 am

qwerty wrote:Off topic, but why are suppressors illeagle(SP?) in most countries? you would think that they would do good by making less noise or is it because it's easier to hide them if you have them illeagly.


suppressors are illegal due to the thought that they are associated with crimes and assassinations. even though the idea of a law that makes it less convenient for law abiding citizens to fire weapons without disturbing others, but assumes that a criminal intent on killing would obey a silencer law is just dumb
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Unread postAuthor: theBOOM » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:38 am

I'm sure you can build a good suppresor from homemade things, JSR made a really good one with baffles and all :D
Never really tried making one like JSR's, working with all that epoxy is just to tedious for me, I can do small casting jobs but that's just sticky hell.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:51 am

theBOOM wrote:I'm sure you can build a good suppresor from homemade things, JSR made a really good one with baffles and all :D
Never really tried making one like JSR's, working with all that epoxy is just to tedious for me, I can do small casting jobs but that's just sticky hell.


This one? Or the one with Lego spacers :D
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Unread postAuthor: theBOOM » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:02 am

Ha I actually looked or the thread and re read it... Was going to post the link here but you beat me to it. The one I referring to is the one on the first link.

Did you hold each piece down when glueing it?
How did you manage not to spill the quick drying epoxy onto the rod while gluing?

Wow, the one with the legospacers looks suprisingly clean and effective, good job!
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:31 am

theBOOM wrote:Did you hold each piece down when glueing it?
How did you manage not to spill the quick drying epoxy onto the rod while gluing?


I clamped the rod vertically in a vice, each piece was held by its own weight. Before starting I gave the rod a wipe with a greasy rag (that would be "oily cloth", not a prominent UK member of this forum that's been working at a chip shop :roll: :D) so any epoxy that spills on to the rod won't stick anyway.
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Unread postAuthor: SpudBlaster15 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:49 am

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:I clamped the rod vertically in a vice, each piece was held by its own weight. Before starting I gave the rod a wipe with a greasy rag so any epoxy that spills on to the rod won't stick anyway.


That's... what... she... said... :shock: :D
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:54 am

*shudder*

Not one word of that seemed out of place when I wrote it, but now that you pointed it out, LOLOL!

:D :D :D
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:21 am

Lockednloaded wrote:but assumes that a criminal intent on killing would obey a silencer law is just dumb

It's not necessarily that they expect criminals to follow the law, but that it gives them another charge they can take to court if they do catch them.

The more charges levelled in the first place, the more chances they have for a conviction. There's a lot of this "maximisation of potential charges" in the law - bit like how they brought down Al Capone for tax evasion.

velocity3x wrote:So....the UK has laws restricting muzzle energy but suppressors are legal?

... almost. A suppressor - or "sound moderator", as it's called under UK law - is considered a component of a firearm except where it's an air weapon* or a Section 2 shotgun.
*I don't like the term "air weapon" - I usually avoid using the word "weapon" at all with reference to air rifles - but it is the legal wording.

For section 1 firearms, they are therefore subject to certificate control as “items designed to reduce the noise or flash of a firearm". As something on a Section 1 licence, there is a requirement for "good reason" (a vague term that gets thrown around a lot in UK firearms law), except where it's an integral part of the firearm in question.

However, while they word it like that to give them the right to deny possession if they wish, firearms officers aren't all that stingy with permission to have them.

And, as Jack says, not having one for an air rifle is generally considered poor manners.

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:greasy rag (that would be "oily cloth", not a prominent UK member of this forum that's been working at a chip shop)

Oi. If I'm covered in grease, it'd be better be at least engine grease.

Mind you, given the smell from some chippys I've been by, I'm not entirely sure they don't use engine grease.
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Unread postAuthor: ramses » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:14 am

It is also considered to have a different air rifle that IS under 12 ft-lbs to show the cops in case they come knocking. They can test the legal one, and then you at least have a chance if you get complaints.

With the suppressor law, they could have additional charges for "being in possession of a suppressor while committing a crime"
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Unread postAuthor: spuddlymore » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:55 pm

It is also considered to have a different air rifle that IS under 12 ft-lbs to show the cops in case they come knocking. They can test the legal one, and then you at least have a chance if you get complaints.

Thats a good idea, I'll see about picking up a cheap one.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:39 pm

A word of warning about that particular trick. It's something I previously considered, but I've decided it's not worth risking it.

While it can get you off scott-free if it works, there is a downside.
If you do attempt that, and they later find out about your projects, it will be considered to be "perverting the course of justice". (You'd also be less likely to see leniency on any firearms charges.)

Bear in mind, the charge of perverting the course of justice can have a sentence anywhere up to, and including, life imprisonment.
For that, you'd probably not risk anywhere close to that, but it is still another charge they could try and get you on.

It may well just be better to be straight with them, and do your best to have your launchers pass off as "special effects cannons".
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Unread postAuthor: spuddlymore » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:44 pm

I think if I'm carefull and considerate, I'm not going to get caught. I live in Southport, in nearby Liverpool there are kids with glocks and berretas stuffed down there tracksuit bottoms, they rarely, if ever seem to get caught.

Just occured to me, anyone think "the law" might monitor sites like this?
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