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Re: Short question topic

Unread postAuthor: wyz2285 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:16 am

With higher compression I think the heavy piston will match the lighter one maybe even more. Probabaly increase the felt recoil and noise too... I like the feeling of the light piston, but the heavy sounds so good atm plus I'm have 0 variation in FPS. One the lighter piston I don't have such absurd consistency (around 1 fps variation) even though both has perfect air seal.
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Re: Short question topic

Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:28 am

I think with the lighter piston, the projectile friction at the breech becomes more critical and since this is prone to variability, it will cause a corresponding variation in velocity.
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Re: Short question topic

Unread postAuthor: wyz2285 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:32 am

I always thought a light and fast trveling piston is better beacause it compresses air faster, reaching a higher peak pressure before the projectile overcomes the friction. I always imagined the projectile takes some time to start moving no matter how much pressure is behind it, therefore a fast piston can produce a peak pressure higher than the necessary for the projectile to move.
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Re: Short question topic

Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:50 am

wyz2285 wrote:I always imagined the projectile takes some time to start moving no matter how much pressure is behind it


Look at the mass of the piston vis a vis the projectile, it's typically over 100 times heavier. Naturally acceleration is going to be much greater.

I always thought a light and fast trveling piston is better beacause it compresses air faster, reaching a higher peak pressure before the projectile overcomes the friction.


With less momentum, it will reach a lower peak pressure in a sealed chamber because its lower mass means that it takes less pressure to slow it down. It's sort of like the analogy between launching a ping pong ball vs a golf ball. Yes, the ping pong ball will come out of the muzzle much faster, but it will decelerate much faster as well and therefore not travel as much.

For the purpose of spring guns, projectile weight is the sliding scale that determines whether a heavier or lighter piston is optimal. A heavier projectile or high friction at the breech is closer to a sealed chamber so a heavier piston is optimal.
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Re: Short question topic

Unread postAuthor: wyz2285 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:55 am

Ahhh, that makes much more sense now. I baffled by the quantity of variables one has to account to build the most efficient spring gun. Thankfully no such things for HPA... Just kidding, I'm still reading that GTA thread, the guys over there are just insane about the efficiency and details...
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Re: Short question topic

Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:12 am

wyz2285 wrote:Thankfully no such things for HPA... Just kidding, I'm still reading that GTA thread, the guys over there are just insane about the efficiency and details...


It's mostly Bob Sterne, he's very meticulous and has a lifetime of experience with pneumatics. I highly recommend going through his articles published in Hard Air magazine, he really goes over all the variables when it comes to how PCPs function and how to tune them, backing it up with hard data.
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Re: Short question topic

Unread postAuthor: Cthulhu » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:51 pm


I made this quick animation for a concept I have to make a burst disk holder that doesn't need a clunky union.

The bottom plate is threaded while the top plate is not. The aluminum foil is sandwiched between two flat rubber gaskets and held in place tightly by 8 screws.

Would this seal and function for the lower pressure range (up to 50 psi)?
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Unread postAuthor: Moonbogg » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:02 pm

You should be able to add as many layers of foil as it takes to hold a wide range of pressures. What are the dimensions of that thing? Also, I wouldn't want to mess with 8 screws every time I wanted to shoot the cannon. Can you use a cam-lock instead? What mixtures you going to run?
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Re: Short question topic

Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:49 am

Moonbogg wrote:I wouldn't want to mess with 8 screws every time I wanted to shoot the cannon.


That's what I would have thought, unions are "clunky" but they're quick.
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Re: Short question topic

Unread postAuthor: Cthulhu » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:12 pm

Moonbogg wrote:You should be able to add as many layers of foil as it takes to hold a wide range of pressures. What are the dimensions of that thing? Also, I wouldn't want to mess with 8 screws every time I wanted to shoot the cannon. Can you use a cam-lock instead? What mixtures you going to run?


The OD is 2.067 inches and the ID is 1 inch.
I'm trying to see if I can 3d print them for preloaded combustion cartridges loaded with oxy-hydrogen and butane at a 1x. HGDT showed a significant performance increase if I use a burst disk and I figured it would help keep the cartridges ready longer before the gas leaked out anyways. 8 screws probably is gonna be frustrating when I reload all the cartridges but at the same time I really do want the shells to look sleek.
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Re: Short question topic

Unread postAuthor: hectmarr » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:42 pm

Cthulhu wrote:
Moonbogg wrote:You should be able to add as many layers of foil as it takes to hold a wide range of pressures. What are the dimensions of that thing? Also, I wouldn't want to mess with 8 screws every time I wanted to shoot the cannon. Can you use a cam-lock instead? What mixtures you going to run?


The OD is 2.067 inches and the ID is 1 inch.
I'm trying to see if I can 3d print them for preloaded combustion cartridges loaded with oxy-hydrogen and butane at a 1x. HGDT showed a significant performance increase if I use a burst disk and I figured it would help keep the cartridges ready longer before the gas leaked out anyways. 8 screws probably is gonna be frustrating when I reload all the cartridges but at the same time I really do want the shells to look sleek.

A suggestion. Open a publication with the ideas, drawings and everything related to your project, so it is simpler to be able to follow your development, and to be able to understand what you are planning. :)
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Re: Short question topic

Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:28 am

hectmarr wrote:A suggestion. Open a publication with the ideas, drawings and everything related to your project, so it is simpler to be able to follow your development, and to be able to understand what you are planning. :)


Seconded, it's what the forum is for.
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Unread postAuthor: Cthulhu » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:05 pm

hahaha, alright. I always feel bad when I do that and my ideas turn into a pipe dream :oops:
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Unread postAuthor: hectmarr » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:36 pm

Cthulhu wrote:hahaha, alright. I always feel bad when I do that and my ideas turn into a pipe dream :oops:


and I ... one of ten ideas works one and not exactly as I wanted ... at least here, we can make fun mistakes. :D
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Re: Short question topic

Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:19 pm

hectmarr wrote:fun mistakes


The answer to the question "Jack, how would you describe your progress in this hobby?" :D
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