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Unread postAuthor: PeteS » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:09 pm

I have been tinkering with a silencer on one of my combustion launchers and it has been somewhat successful. The silencer volume is about the same as the barrel volume and it is stuffed with steel wool. Silencer length is about 2/3 of barrel length. It is still fairly loud, but the noise is much reduced.

I'd like to build a launcher that would be fairly quiet, but want to maximize how fun it will be to use. So I'd like it to be fairly large bore and fairly high velocity. I am thinking 1.5" bore and I assume it has to be slower than the speed of sound if I am to be successful at quieting it down much.

I have read most of what has been written here about silencers, but wonder about other launcher design factors that will affect the effectiveness of the silencer. What other design parameters should I be striving for in an effort to meet those goals
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Unread postAuthor: Brian the brain » Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:42 pm

If you simply use a longer barrel noise will go down while velocity goes up.

It should be possible to match your chamber volume to your barrelvolume and have the ammo leave the muzzle with ( almost) no sound.

After ignition there comes a point when the expanding gasses cool and even cause a vacuum.
This principle is what powers simple jetengines.
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Unread postAuthor: PeteS » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:26 pm

I have observed that, but velocity seemed to go down drastically at close to that point. I guess it is a matter of hitting just the right balance.
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Re: Quieter Launchers

Unread postAuthor: noname » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:30 pm

Vacuum!

As for the OP, I can't say much more than Brian already did. If you're using a 1.5" barrel, your silencer is probably going to be 3" or 4" I'm assuming. The only real tip I can give is to make your silencer out of ABS to make it more lightweight, along with the barrel if possible. Cell core or thin wall pipe will help keep the cannon from being too front-heavy.
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Unread postAuthor: Brian the brain » Wed Nov 13, 2013 4:35 pm

but velocity seemed to go down drastically at close to that point


Sounds like you past that point.
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Re: Quieter Launchers

Unread postAuthor: PeteS » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:15 pm

Brian the brain wrote:
but velocity seemed to go down drastically at close to that point


Sounds like you past that point.
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Yeah I guess so.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:51 am

You might want to have a look here: pneumatic-cannons/topic25170.html

Stopping a sabot with a buffer is a technical challenge.

Stopping it due to barrel suction is another thing.

Have a look at the HGDT model attached. As you can see, a peak velocity of 145 fps is reached, but the projectile then slows down and stops in the barrel. If the projectile consisted of fullbore sabot and sub-caliber projectile, then the sabot would stop but the projectile would carry on.

You can see the effect of having a large barrel and small chamber clearly here:



Of course, the example I showed has a 20 foot long barrel, hardly practical - but you can create the equivalent space with a sleeve around the barrel. Putting a 10 inch diameter sleeve on it would mean that you could get away with a two foot barrel.
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Unread postAuthor: PeteS » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:10 am

Interesting...
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Unread postAuthor: SpudBlaster15 » Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:21 pm

What are you using for fuel? In my experience, a C:B ratio of 0.9:1 - 1:1 with a 1.5 or 2" bore makes for a pretty quiet, relatively well performing spray 'n' pray. With metered propane/butane/propylene, you typically have to use something like 0.6:1 or 0.7:1 to keep the noise to a minimum.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:17 am

SpudBlaster15 wrote:With metered propane/butane/propylene, you typically have to use something like 0.6:1 or 0.7:1 to keep the noise to a minimum.


Not in my experience, namely with this cannon: combustion-cannon-database/topic16467.html

Still sounded like a bloody shotgun going off even cut down to 0.45:1
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Unread postAuthor: PeteS » Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:09 am

SpudBlaster15 wrote:What are you using for fuel? In my experience, a C:B ratio of 0.9:1 - 1:1 with a 1.5 or 2" bore makes for a pretty quiet, relatively well performing spray 'n' pray. With metered propane/butane/propylene, you typically have to use something like 0.6:1 or 0.7:1 to keep the noise to a minimum.


Propane. I have been using oversize chambers by that standard.
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