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Unread postAuthor: PCGUY » Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:52 pm

<div align="center">STUN GUN
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<img src="http://www.spudfiles.com/official_pics/200000detail.jpg">

The much imposing 200,000V beast!

Stun guns: Truly a marvel to behold. Stun guns are a spud gunners best friend. Stun guns produce a very powerful spark and make it very easy to wire multiple sparks into your chamber. There are several reasons why I feel this way about stun guns. The following list contains pros and cons of stun gun usage, as well as a few tips on using one.

Pros:

1. Stun guns are cool. I love the look on friend's faces when I tell them I have a 200000V ignition source on my spud gun.

2. Stun guns are extremely durable. I have used one for at least 500 rounds and it has never failed once. I have tried BBQ igniters before and they broke after 20 or so shots. This did not impress me at all.

3. Stun guns are cheap. Many people feel cost is a big issue on spud guns, and rightfully so. A common BBQ lighter cost about $12 to $15 in a store. I have bought a 100,000V stun gun on ebay for about $18 after shipping. I bought my 200,000V one for about $25, and I recently purchased a 300,000V one for $32. If this seems like a large amount of money consider this: If you even had to replace your BBQ sparker once you would have at least $24 wrapped up in it. Now call me crazy, but I would rather put $3 with my $15 and buy a stun gun. Ebay is probably the best place to buy a stun gun.

4. Easy to wire. They are just as easy to wire as a BBQ igniter, but it is much easier to wire multiple sparks.

5. More design flexibility. If one knows about wiring and such it would be very easy to put different switches, remote controls, etc. to operate the stun gun.

6. Reusable. It is much easier to use a stun gun between multiple guns than any other ignition. I wouldn't want to even attempt using the same BBQ igniter on other guns.

Cons:

1. Legality issues. Stun guns are legal in most places in the U.S., but I know in Australia and some other foreign places they are illegal.

2. Being shocked. This is probably the only fear most have about using a stun gun for ignition. I have been shocked, and while it wasn't very fun, it was nowhere near as bad as I thought it would be. I wouldn't let this be a deterrent in choosing a stun gun ignition, because it is easily remedied. The best way to fix it is by using good wires, like the ones found on television fly backs (the wires that look like they attach with a suction cup to the back of the screen assembly), and to cover your screws. I haven't covered my screws, because I am careful when firing, and to tell you the truth being shocked doesn't hurt bad enough to go to the trouble to cover them.

<img src="http://www.spudfiles.com/official_pics/stungunsparkdark.jpg">

A pic in the dark, the sparks blurred the pic some but you can still see the 4 sparks.

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A pic in the light. Note to self: Do not stick hand in chamber.:-)

Instructions: Basically a picture is worth a thousand words, so to save myself 1000 words I have included pictures. Here are a few general notes: The wires are attached to the outside post of the stun gun with crimp connectors. The wires must be attached to the outside so as not to interfere with the inside electrodes. The inside electrodes are the stun gun's default path, and if it is interfered with, will ruin the stun gun. As a result when making multiple sparks the total gap between all the bolt sets must be slightly less than the gap between the default electrodes. This is a fairly easy step. The other part is attachment to the chamber. I use a hose clamp for this.

<img src="http://www.spudfiles.com/official_pics/stungun-wiringSMALL.jpg">

Wiring and attachment detail.

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Unread postAuthor: theexp » Mon Mar 14, 2005 6:55 pm

I wish my parents would let me get one... :(
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Unread postAuthor: PCGUY » Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:20 am

Same here... my mom thinks i'll go around and stun people if I got one.
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Unread postAuthor: theexp » Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:21 pm

Same here...
it sux
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Unread postAuthor: yuandrew » Wed Aug 03, 2005 5:29 pm

Stun guns will work as a great ignitor but many others will work as well. The problem with a stun gun is that the voltage is very high. You should be fine as long as it is properly insulated. Someone I know who runs http://www.aaroncake.com is also a spudder but he dosen't recommend a stun gun as some of them have a voltage or waveform that is designed to knock you out. The last thing you want to do is to stun and knock youself out at the same time the cannon fires.

Another ignition device I've considered was an electronic ignition unit from a high-end bbq grill. Don't confuse this with the piezoelectric spark generators, this device runs on one AAA battery and sparks twice per second as long as the button is held down. You used to be able to fine these at Lowe's but I don't see them anymore, just the regular click generators. You might be able to fine a grill that has one of these though and try to order the unit from the grill manufacturer; just check the grill manuel and find the part#

Still, the third idea for igniting I've heard of involves discharging a camera flash unit through an ignition coil which results in some very large sparks but those are even more dangerous than stun guns as a capicator discharge ignition is capable of blowing your finger off. I've shocked myself with the circuit from a small disposable camera and it hurts real bad (I accidentially touched the board while it was charging; OUCH!)
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Unread postAuthor: saladtossser » Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:32 pm

yuandrew wrote:The last thing you want to do is to stun and knock youself out at the same time the cannon fires.

i never thought of that, nice thinking
yuandrew wrote:Still, the third idea for igniting I've heard of involves discharging a camera flash unit through an ignition coil which results in some very large sparks

u can do it without the coil, and make a brilliant spark with the three electrobes and the shutter is a switch, u can take the pic and fire at the exact same moment lol
yuandrew wrote:this device runs on one AAA battery and sparks twice per second as long as the button is held down.OUCH!)

i tried that, it SUCKED, small ass spark thats RED
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Unread postAuthor: boilingleadbath » Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:51 pm

Wait... RED sparks. Are you exagerating?! If not, awsome. (yes, I realize that red is cooler than blue, meaning that it's... not as hot.)
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Unread postAuthor: sergeantspud2 » Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:56 pm

i have a bbq ingnitor like that on my bbq and they aren't red. how do you get red sparks?
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Unread postAuthor: yuandrew » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:19 pm

Small red sparks? Did you use a fresh battery because they slow down and are not as strong when the battery is old or dead. It should spark like white or blue and jump about 1/4 of an inch.

Sergeantspud2; did you ever tried using that to fire a combustion gun?
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Unread postAuthor: yuandrew » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:23 pm

saladtossser wrote:
yuandrew wrote:The last thing you want to do is to stun and knock youself out at the same time the cannon fires.

i never thought of that, nice thinkings


Yeah, I've thought of that after seeing the pics; if you look at the picture above showing how the wires were connected, you'll notice the screws and wire connections exposed. That will shock you if you accidentally touched one one of those screws.
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Unread postAuthor: sergeantspud2 » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:30 pm

no but what what would make it red in a spud gun vs a bbq
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Unread postAuthor: saladtossser » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:49 am

i wouldnt want a red spark, it is cool and ignites slower, i got that battery igniter and tested it the store after i checked out and i returned it. and got a twist ignitor and loved it, it strikes the pierzoelectric ceramic 6 times per turn, makes a long crisp blue spark.

but if u want, i think a more resistive wire will make a weak spark.
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Unread postAuthor: boilingleadbath » Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:41 pm

I think you'd have to touch both electrodes to get a significant shock... and if you designed your handles so that that could accidentaly happen, you deserved it.

But as incapacitators, I'v heard stunguns are overrated. As such, a short spark should hurt, but not really do any thing: we should build 555 timer circuts into our stungun arangments to limmit the spark to like 1/10 of a second. You wouldn't have to worry about over heating the transistor, either. (and it'd prolong battery life)
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Unread postAuthor: saladtossser » Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:00 pm

thats is genius
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Unread postAuthor: spudshot » Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:26 pm

just buy some rubber coating (they sell it at hardware stores, just dip your tool's handle in it, and it's coated), cover the tips of the screws with it to insulate them
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