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Unread postAuthor: medievalman » Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:25 pm

jrrdw wrote:I thought these machines were for hair removel. What the heck are you guys talking about?


an electrolysis machine seperates water into its intial elements(Hydrogen and Oxygen) using electricity.
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Unread postAuthor: LGM » Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:31 pm

A way to get hydrogen in higher volume is to mix alluminum foil and Drano. Produces a lot of gas that could probably be cought in a metal container and dispensed into a gun, if that's what you want.
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Unread postAuthor: medievalman » Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:35 pm

if you put that in a balloon, then tie a wick to it and let it go, it will blow up in midair!
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Unread postAuthor: jjk92 » Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:37 pm

trae08 wrote:anyone have any plans or a working machine they wouldn't mind sharing? i've made a simple one with a 9 volt battery an salt an a graphite rod. but i am looking for one a li'l more complicated that will yield more gas (hydrogen gas)


ask djt about this i do believe he did some kind of science project on it...
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Unread postAuthor: Killjoy » Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:46 pm

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Thought this was a nifty little setup for producing hydrogen and oxygen.
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Unread postAuthor: trae08 » Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:39 pm

thanx for all the input.. singularity what do you mean by the u design?..

also i dunno if im gonna use this in a gun but if i do it will be a 1/4 inch steel chamber.
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Unread postAuthor: SpudBlaster15 » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:08 am

jrrdw wrote:I thought these machines were for hair removel. What the heck are you guys talking about?


Electrolysis cells use an electric current passing between an anode and a cathode through an electrolyte solution to perform a number of tasks, separating water into its elemental constituents is just one of many. Others include electroplating, production of various chemical compounds (such as Sodium Hydroxide, Potassium/Sodium Perchlorate, and Potassium/Sodium Chlorate), and purification of metal deposits obtained from ores. It is a huge component of the industry, I am surprised you have never heard of this process before.

In a simple electrolysis cell designed to produce H2 and O2 gases from water, you should use 2 stainless steel electrodes, spaced as close together as possible while maintaining a small gap between them. When current is passed through the cell, the cathode becomes negatively charged, and the anode becomes positively charged. Water is comprised of Hydrogen and Oxygen. At the (positive) anode, oxygen gives up an electron, forming an oxygen atom which combines with another atom formed by the same process, creating Oxygen gas. At the (negative) cathode, hydrogen accepts an electron, forming a hydrogen atom, which forms a molecule of Hydrogen gas. The gases bubble to the surface, and (depending on the cell configuration) can be collected together, or separated.
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Unread postAuthor: Insomniac » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:25 am

Bicarbonate of soda is a good alternative to using salt, and its cheap and easy to find.
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Unread postAuthor: jrrdw » Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:38 am

Well, when you guys where studying science, i was working on the cars to drive you there. So to speak. I've deffently heard of eletroplateing, (chrome plateing), i've shined my share of it allrite! Thanks for the discriptions. The diagram really helped, (Killjoy).

One more question -- Who invented the Elotrolysis machine? A guy named Hairless Electrolow??? (jk) No need to answer.
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Unread postAuthor: Recruit » Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:23 am

jrrdw wrote:Well, when you guys where studying science, i was working on the cars to drive you there. So to speak. I've deffently heard of eletroplateing, (chrome plateing), i've shined my share of it allrite! Thanks for the discriptions. The diagram really helped, (Killjoy).

One more question -- Who invented it? A guy named Hairless Electrolow???

invented what electroplating or the other one?
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Unread postAuthor: jjk92 » Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:00 am

hey i was talking to someone and they said if you capture the hydrogen and oxygen in the same container it would be the perfect mixture for an explosion
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Unread postAuthor: ammosmoke » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:01 pm

One thing though, DON'T use a stun gun or something like that. Actually, don't use anything much over 18 volts. (Like a drill battery)((As long as it doesn't overheat)) A stungun or compacitor will create massive sparks, and it will heat the water very,very,very fast. Now, obviously, depending on whether you modded it or not, it can only shock for so long. But, you will shock the water a few times, then after that, all of a sudden, BOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: It blows up because the sparks ignited the gasses. *dead* You might be able to pull it off if the electrodes were far enough from each other, but I don't recommend it.

Oh, and more amps is probably what would make it go faster, HOWEVER, more amps potentially make it MUCH more dangerous to you. And I wouldn't recommend going above about 5. (A nice RC battery.)
(I.E. a stungun only has about 2-3 amps, but 20k-40k volts, that is why it doesn't kill you.)

Oh, and another thing, I wouldn't recommend using an electrolyte at all, because it will only put stuff in your oxygen side. (If you want it.) And, it will only make things more complicated, as it will collect on the electrodes, making a mess, and you will have to clean or replace them,,,,,,, (Using an electrolyte seriously speeds deteioration time on the electrodes.) Just increase the amps, (not too much) see above in my post about amps. Its much cleaner this way.
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Unread postAuthor: SpudBlaster15 » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:36 pm

An electrolyte must be present, or the water will not conduct the current. Fortunatley, tap water often contains an array of dissolved salts that allow it to conduct electricity, so if you are using that, you dont have to add anything.
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Unread postAuthor: sgort87 » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:52 pm

ammosmoke wrote:One thing though, DON'T use a stun gun or something like that. Actually, don't use anything much over 18 volts. (Like a drill battery)((As long as it doesn't overheat)) A stungun or compacitor will create massive sparks, and it will heat the water very,very,very fast. Now, obviously, depending on whether you modded it or not, it can only shock for so long. But, you will shock the water a few times, then after that, all of a sudden, BOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: It blows up because the sparks ignited the gasses. *dead* You might be able to pull it off if the electrodes were far enough from each other, but I don't recommend it.

Oh, and more amps is probably what would make it go faster, HOWEVER, more amps potentially make it MUCH more dangerous to you. And I wouldn't recommend going above about 5. (A nice RC battery.)
(I.E. a stungun only has about 2-3 amps, but 20k-40k volts, that is why it doesn't kill you.)

Oh, and another thing, I wouldn't recommend using an electrolyte at all, because it will only put stuff in your oxygen side. (If you want it.) And, it will only make things more complicated, as it will collect on the electrodes, making a mess, and you will have to clean or replace them,,,,,,, (Using an electrolyte seriously speeds deteioration time on the electrodes.) Just increase the amps, (not too much) see above in my post about amps. Its much cleaner this way.


Ammosmoke, do you know anything about ANYTHING?

Stun guns should not be used, but that's because they cannot handle extended use and because its low current capacity is very low. 2-3 amperes is not its draw. By the way, it takes a mere 20 <b>milli</b>amps to kill a human if you get them across the heart.

Just because something is high current, it doesn't mean it will blow up. The current will be the same whether you use 8 AAAs or one 12v gell cell. The water is at a fixed resistance which you can not change. The only thing that is different between the two power sources is that they will have different times at which they will die. V=IR; Voltage = Current x Resistance. You CAN NOT change that.

Next, the gasses would never <i>explode</i>. Do you know what would happen? Tiny little combustions would happen in the form of a fizz.

Also, about the electrolyte, does it matter what he uses if he is just collecting the hydrogen? No.

And SpudBlaster took care of the rest of the humiliation you need:
SpudBlaster15 wrote:An electrolyte must be present, or the water will not conduct the current. Fortunatley, tap water often contains an array of dissolved salts that allow it to conduct electricity, so if you are using that, you dont have to add anything.
Yeah, most people don't know it, but pure water is one of the worst conductors. I laugh when people insist otherwise.
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Unread postAuthor: cannon freak » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:23 pm

There some electrolytes that are not consumed during electrolysis, I believe sodium hydroxide is one.

I would suggest not to use a battery of any sort, some kind of power supply such as a cheap computer power source would work good. Its just that the battery will be drained quite quickly.


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