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Unread postAuthor: LGM » Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:12 pm

How practical would it be to use ozone in a combustion cannon, all that would be necassary is to have a high voltage spark at the end of an oxy hose to convert the O2 to O3 and then use a fuel like kerosene that has a long molecuar chan and an otherwise slow combustion to combat DDT, assuming that can be avoided.
This would be in a very thick pipe (duh).
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Unread postAuthor: crazyfreak0075 » Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:31 pm

how are you going to manage to produce O3 in low level climates, in a laboratory you need the following to make O3 in the laboratory ozone can be produced by electrolysis using a 9 volt battery, a pencil graphite rod cathode, a platinum wire anode and a 3M sulfuric acid electrolyte. Other wise you need radiation less than 240 nm. Also O3 is highly unstable at around 2 Moles 2 O3 - 3 O2. Its a big oxidizer.
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Unread postAuthor: Flying_Salt » Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:34 pm

You would have to have all this metering nonsense, and you will be playing with the oxidizer/combustible stuff mix whilst people like me are shooting and laughing at you.
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Unread postAuthor: lukemc » Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:25 pm

yea that seems like it would be extremely impracticle to do. keep thinking though
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Unread postAuthor: boilingleadbath » Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:53 pm

God.
"These "lolz!" impractical!" people annoy the crap out of me.

But, honestly, I don't think the effect would be very noticable.
*pulls out gaseq*

O3-octane = 34.4 atm max pressure
(air with all O2->O3)-octane = 11.1 atm
O2-octane = 19 atm
Air-octane = 9.26 atm

Although significantly less interesting, a 4x hybrid will out-preform even the O3-octane combustion.

And anyways, ozone is acutely toxic, decays exothermically (oh, raising the temperature to 3200* and causing more to decay), and attacks everything.
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Unread postAuthor: TwitchTheAussie » Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:26 pm

Ummm Im sticking with butane and propane and of course the trusty deoderant can. That just sounds too complex and impractical for me.
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Unread postAuthor: Flying_Salt » Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:29 pm

boilingleadbath wrote:God.
"These "lolz!" impractical!" people annoy the crap out of me.


Was I one of them? I'm sorry :oops:
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Unread postAuthor: boilingleadbath » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:09 pm

Bah, it's not a major issue...
But, honestly, if we limit our discussions to what the lowest denominator thinks is "practical", we'll be stuck discussing aerosol combustions with a overall length of 48" or less, with a lantern sparker, and without chamber fans.

See where I'm coming from?

That said, I'm beginning to believe that it'd be a very labor intensive project (and a dangerous one at that) to produce pure ozone gas and use it in this endeavor.
The reason is simple;
1) Ozone generators capable of producing any reasonable quantity of gas are very expensive (which probably indicates that they are hard to make)
2) They seem to have a throughput many times their O3 production - making purification difficult
3) The only way to purify O3 that I can think of is by boiling point separation
4) One source listed the half life of O3 at 30 minutes (at room temperature) [note - I would think that half life would not be so clearly defined, but would instead be dependent on concentration... but I'm not sure of the decay reaction, so take this as a suspicion.]
5) Liquid O3 would be explosive. (and probably a high explosive at that)
6) O3 is used in civilian and industrial enviroments to react with organic substances. (note that octane is organic)

...so, honestly, I'm wondering if this would even be possible, much less safe.
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