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Unread postAuthor: From_Hamsterdam » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:02 am

My sisters boy friends friend got attacked out side the ice rink with a hatchet (small axe) and lost the use of one eye. If this was a gun he would be dead.

You have more chance of surviving a stabbing or bashing.

from what i remember the native Americans did not fare too well either.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

With Americas chased up army there is little chance of an invading country not becoming a radio active waste land if it even thinks of invading. Despite popular belief America is under little threat of invasion. To make militia effective in the next war you should legalize nuclear weapons.

how many killing sprees has America had? is it still represented by single digits?

killing sprees "should't" realy matter, its the idividual crimes that "should" matter most.

why? is some nut job showing his distaste for society by shooting up a school less important then someone normal snapping? people who go off the deep end can do a lot more damage with a gun then if they don't have access to one.

Guns make killing easier almost any one can pull a trigger, hell there has been a preschool shooting in America.

There is little advantage of having easy access to guns. Ever heard the saying "if you don't have it, you cant use it". It only takes a second to loose control and kill some one with a gun.

Come on the bible not exactly brand new.
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Unread postAuthor: rna_duelers » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:15 am

From_Hamsterdam wrote:Come on the bible not exactly brand new.


Yes but most of the Western world is controlled by the bible and regilious zealots.
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Unread postAuthor: Zeroin » Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:28 am

What about Tasmania ? It is in Australia you know!!, everytime i read something or hear something about state statistics Tasmania is always left out :( anyway when i first moved down here i saw a small group of people walking down my street in plain day light carring 2 spudders and saw them firing it in there back yard (i live in a ruralish area). The laws seem pritty lax on spud guns around here which sound good for me :).

On another not im pritty sure the reason the gun laws were changed is because of the Port Arthur Massacar in Tassy. A quick google search gave me this site i dont know how accurate it is but it should give the jist.

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/port_arthur.htm
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Unread postAuthor: goathunter » Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:26 pm

Now not to jack the AUSSIE SPUDGUN LAWS thread.But think about it people, all the instances people are speaking of refer to a crazy person going on a rampage.Do you think that taking away guns would change anything?Probably not.Any time a ban is imposed on firearms the crazies still find a way to get one.The change needs to happen in society as a whole.

Hamsterdam and RNA, you believe that the Bible is outdated? Well, let me ask when in a society that believes we can do all things for ourselves and that man is supreme.How come crime,poverty,disrespect of authority,and immorality(even modern day immorality) are at an all time high? We've done a sorry job trying to rule our own lives.I may not be the brightest bulb around but I do know that when a country adheres to Biblical principals the inhabitants are blessed.Of course,History cannot be trusted, right? Any time a Christian revival happens the trademarks are virtually no crime and increased prosperity and happiness.Tell me when a "Socially Enlightened"population has found these things to be true.My rant is done and so should everyone elses.If you want to debate go to Theopia.A thread about Spudgun Laws should be just that,about spudgun laws. The End
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Unread postAuthor: origin unknown » Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:28 pm

[quote="From_Hamsterdam"]Less guns = less killing sprees
^good thing^

If you are for less guns and gun bans, then why did you join this forum in the first place?

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Unread postAuthor: TwitchTheAussie » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:32 pm

First and foremost: Spud guns are counted as firearms but the projectiles they shoot (aside from marbles, ead slugs and cannon balls) arent really killers are they. Look at BB guns. Plastic or metal balls, the worst that could happen is you get hit in the eye or someone had to open their mouths and cop one down the throat. Thats it and theyre still illegal here.

Combustions are another story. The only reason they should be really illegal here is because of the enhanced fire danger in the bush fire season.

The pneumatics are higher powered which is why these should only be classed as a class A weapon, which is registerable.

Aside from hybrids thats about all the dangers posed by potato guns. Somebody comes up to a group of people with a loaded pneumatic or combustion, he is screwed over because most people get brave and rush them because they cant reload.

Why should we suffer for past mistakes? It doesnt matter if someones gone on a shooting spree with a PROPER gun when our guns take a bit to get the pressure up and in the case of combustions properly set up.
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Unread postAuthor: Fnord » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:09 pm

Im sure a high power bb gun could be lethal. If you get hit in the throat/head with metal going 300-400 fps, it wont be goog for your health no matter what size it is.

about the whole shootings thing...
as I was getting off the bus today I heard beginning of a radio program, where the hosts were asking "should college students be allowed to carry guns for self defence?"
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wtf?
Please tell me I am not the only sane man in the room on this one.
the u.s. is getting crazier every day.
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Unread postAuthor: goathunter » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:16 pm

Anybody(over 21) in the US is allowed to carry a gun as long as it is in a holster and visible.Why not carry one, same as carrying a knife. Sure as heck don't want to end up like Australia(cheap jab in good fun for you Aussies) :lol: Almost forgot to add, California and a couple other states doesn't allow you to carry a gun.
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Unread postAuthor: Fnord » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:31 pm

Im not saying carring a weapon is a bad idea in general, Im just saying, could you imagine shots being fired in a school and having 500 panicy kids with guns running around?
Plus a lot of kids arent very "stable" from my experience in school. I sure wouldnt want to go to that school, unless I got to pick what gun i wanted to carry;
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Unread postAuthor: TwitchTheAussie » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:44 pm

Lol thats not a very practical weapon
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Unread postAuthor: frankrede » Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:27 pm

rna_duelers wrote:Who do you trust frankrede?A Site which the information can be changed by anyone or a report from the government on the matter?I personally trust the latter.
Wikipedia is reliable but shouldn't be relied on in this situation.
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Unread postAuthor: deathholm » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:32 am

goathunter wrote:all the instances people are speaking of refer to a crazy person going on a rampage.


Are you saying that only mentally unstable humans are capable of "snapping" during an instance of road rage, going to their glovebox and shooting up every person in sight? Perhaps you are incapable of these short bursts of anger, but personally, I would not like to have a handgun in my glovebox at those times. :wink:

Neither Australia's nor America's gun laws are perfect but ours are a hell of a lot closer to the mark :D On the other hand I don't like the idea of "police have right to confiscate at anytime and without reason" Thats like our laws on bulletproof vests so that if the cops decide that they don't like you they can riddle you with bullets at a moments notice.
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Unread postAuthor: goathunter » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:35 pm

That mentality of "road rage"is exactly what I was speaking of.Those people are crazy.If something as small as traffic gets you that angry you need help.Furthermore, ever seen a video or experienced someone going"road rage"?It usually involves a tire iron,knife,or baseball bat if any weapon at all.The danger is not in the fiream at all but in the person.Nobody wants to admit that these days.People kill people not guns,knives, or any other inert object.If Australias laws are made for the citizens and the majority of citizens view them as just, then they are on the mark.America has a deep traditon in firearms.We use them for Survival,Independance,and Recreation.The US Constitution was written to prevent things such as:"police have right to confiscate at anytime and without reason" -deathholm

If guns weren't alowd our government would be communist by now.Firearms act as yet again another safeguard against tyrrany,even if it be an extreme case.The framers of the US Constitution were men of insurmountable intelligence, to believe that their works can be dismissed is to disregard ones heritage and ancestory.Personally I cannot do so.
If America dumped one part of the Constitution then all would be lost.The longest lasting and most versatile constitution in the world would be a side note in a history book.
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Unread postAuthor: Zeroin » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:16 pm

I dont know about you guys but if i was living in America id be happy to know that i could own a .50 cal rifle incase of a grizzly bear attack (or door to door sales men) even if im living in a big city like new york i could draw some comfort in knowing that its just in the gun rack :)

But i do belive that there should be strict rules. I understand if you want to go hunting or pop acouple of rounds of at a shooting range. But i dont think you should be able to carry one in public (unless your a copper or a rent-a-cop) and for it to be in a holster and visible is kinda advertising it i mean what happens if your in a crowded bus or train and someone tryes to take it. Even if you can stop them getting it what are you going to do start shooting in the bus and traumatise or potentially injure or kill some innocent bystander?
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Unread postAuthor: goathunter » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:39 pm

Most cities don't allow you to carry guns visible for that very reason(concealed okay with a permit).I live way out in the country and a gun isn't unnormal.I would never show a gun in a city for fear of getting shot by a cop.And a 50.cal. would be fun to own if it weren't so expensive.
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