Login    Register
User Information
Username:
Password:
We are a free and open
community, all are welcome.
Click here to Register
Sponsored
Who is online

In total there are 54 users online :: 3 registered, 0 hidden and 51 guests


Most users ever online was 218 on Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:58 pm

Registered users: Google [Bot], MSNbot Media, Yahoo [Bot] based on users active over the past 5 minutes

The Team
Administrators
Global Moderators
global_moderators.png CS

Combustion cannon = explosive?

A place to ask general spud cannon related questions.
Sponsored 
  • Author
    Message

Unread postAuthor: SpudBlaster15 » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:07 am

The problem is, although I have plenty of material to use in an argument against their ruling, they are impatient and stubborn, and usually reply with "I don't want to talk about it" or "It is still an explosion" or something of the like. This annoys me, as logic has an impact on most people I talk to.
  • 0

People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.
User avatar
SpudBlaster15
Major General
Major General
 
Posts: 2385
Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:12 pm
Location: Canada
Country: Poland (pl)
Reputation: 3

Unread postAuthor: frankrede » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:22 am

Tell them that it doesn't explode and it insteads creates a chemical change and the propane turns into hot gas.
  • 0

Current project: Afghanistan deployment
User avatar
frankrede
Lieutenant General
Lieutenant General
 
Posts: 3220
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:47 pm
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: SpudBlaster15 » Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:54 am

I just created a 3 page word document explaining why combustion guns are not explosives, and are not nearly as dangerous as such. It uses both physics and an interpretation of the BATFE letter. If my parents won't listen, maybe they will READ.
  • 0

People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.
User avatar
SpudBlaster15
Major General
Major General
 
Posts: 2385
Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:12 pm
Location: Canada
Country: Poland (pl)
Reputation: 3

Unread postAuthor: Gepard » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:02 am

Sorry are you trying to convince your parents that a combustion and/or hybrid isn't an bomb/explosive? Of course it is - It is just a controlled(hopefully) version!

Wikipedia:
Bomb:
A bomb is an explosive device that generates and releases its energy very rapidly

Explosion:
An explosive material is a material that either is chemically or otherwise energetically unstable or produces a sudden expansion of the material usually accompanied by the production of heat and large changes in pressure (and typically also a flash and/or loud noise) upon initiation; this is called the explosion.


Surely that is exactly what happens in a combustion/hybrid?!

The only difference between say a pipe bomb and a Spudgun is that a Spudgun channels the energy out through the barrel. Let's say you put nails into it and left it a public place. I'd love to hear you explain to the police why it isn't a bomb.

Michael
  • 0


Gepard
Captain
Captain
 
Posts: 342
Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:12 am
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: psycix » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:19 am

It is a bomb, but you need to make your parents believe its all not very dangerous.

I suggest you building a pneumatic. And then i mean: a POWERFUL pneumatic thats WAY WAY WAY more powerful then any of your combustions.

Show em that and let them choose:
-Burning Propane, launching a spud fast
-Releasing air pressure, launching a spud REALLY REALLY FAST

Just show them pneumatics are more powerful and they might do one of the following things:
-They understand the burning of propane (call it burning, not exploding) is less weak then some air pressure and allow you to build comusitons.
-Get angry and forbid pneumatics too since they are even more powerful then a explosion. :P
  • 0

User avatar
psycix
Donating Member
Donating Member
 
Posts: 3684
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:12 am
Location: The Netherlands
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: sandman » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:41 am

well, i would walk up to my mom with a propane torch, light it, then say " doesn't look like it exploded on me"

or i would just keep building

my dad said no to a propane gun
but, i know that he was really thinking, dont build one with me knowing :D
  • 0


sandman
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 672
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:59 pm
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: Gepard » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:43 am

sandman wrote:<snip>
my dad said no to a propane gun
but, i know that he was really thinking, dont build one with me knowing :D


I think he wanted you to build a MAPP one :D

Michael
  • 0


Gepard
Captain
Captain
 
Posts: 342
Joined: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:12 am
Reputation: 0

Sponsored

Sponsor
 


Unread postAuthor: psycix » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:12 am

Use acetelene! ;)
Not everyone knows that thats an "explosive" gas. :D

Do take PVC pipe, not ABS coz of the cool schrapnels.
  • 0

User avatar
psycix
Donating Member
Donating Member
 
Posts: 3684
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:12 am
Location: The Netherlands
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: Fnord » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:22 am

Well, technicaly your hybrid can be a "bomb".
Have you shown anyone the official letter from the ATF yet? It says potato guns are not classified as weapons or DDs, (unless you commit a crime with them, or they are against your city limits laws).

I would either wait it out, or attempt the impossible(silencer on a hybrid).

Do you have any friends houses to shoot at?
  • 0

Image
User avatar
Fnord
Major General
Major General
 
Posts: 2244
Joined: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:20 pm
Location: Pripyat
Reputation: 7

Unread postAuthor: SpudBlaster15 » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:23 am

Combustion launchers are not bombs/explosives according to BATFE, rather, they are devices intended for recreational purposes. A "controlled explosion" does not have nearly the danger level that an uncontrolled explosion does, and this is what they fail to understand, but hopefully my document will help change this.
  • 0

People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.
User avatar
SpudBlaster15
Major General
Major General
 
Posts: 2385
Joined: Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:12 pm
Location: Canada
Country: Poland (pl)
Reputation: 3

Unread postAuthor: mopherman » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:49 am

try building something far more dangerous, and let them talk you down to cannons.
  • 0

searching for a modern day savior from another place,inclined toward charity,everyone's begging for an answer,without regard to validity,the searching never ends,it goes on and on for eternity
-Bad religion
User avatar
mopherman
Brigadier General
Brigadier General
 
Posts: 788
Joined: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:20 pm
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: Fnord » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:58 am

try building something far more dangerous, and let them talk you down to cannons.

Yes! Build a fusion reactor in your basement! It will scare the crap out of everyone and convince them to let you build cannons again (the best part is, a reactor isn't that dangerous at all, save for risks of radiation exposure, which can be easily avoided).

Edit: click me

EditEdit: before anyone else links me to the radioactive boyscout please know that fusion reactors are the complete opposite of fission reactors and therefore the story does not apply. X-rays are also NOT persistance radiation.

Or you could build a co2 laser.
  • 0

Last edited by Fnord on Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:00 pm, edited 6 times in total.
Image
User avatar
Fnord
Major General
Major General
 
Posts: 2244
Joined: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:20 pm
Location: Pripyat
Reputation: 7

Unread postAuthor: mopherman » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:00 pm

_Fnord wrote:
try building something far more dangerous, and let them talk you down to cannons.

Yes! Build a fusion reactor in your basement! It will scare the crap out of everyone and convince them to let you build cannons again (the best part is, a reactor isn't that dangerous at all, save for risks of radiation exposure, which can be easily avoided).

Or you could build a co2 laser.

http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html
dont want another one of these situations.....

i say make a pulsejet car
  • 0

searching for a modern day savior from another place,inclined toward charity,everyone's begging for an answer,without regard to validity,the searching never ends,it goes on and on for eternity
-Bad religion
User avatar
mopherman
Brigadier General
Brigadier General
 
Posts: 788
Joined: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:20 pm
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: sandman » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:10 pm

just build a rail gun, and say its your new hobby
  • 0


sandman
Colonel
Colonel
 
Posts: 672
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:59 pm
Reputation: 0

Unread postAuthor: mike1010 » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:29 pm

just start building bombs then tell them "see it doesnt use propane but still can make your new corbette eplode watch"
  • 0

User avatar
mike1010
Sergeant Major
Sergeant Major
 
Posts: 197
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:38 pm
Reputation: 0

PreviousNext

Return to General Spud Cannon Related

Who is online

Registered users: Google [Bot], MSNbot Media, Yahoo [Bot]

Reputation System ©'