Let's start another debate here shall we?


Postby Navigator7 » Wed Jan 31, 2007 4:15 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mr.Plow
considering the talk about <i>pirates</i> from centuries ago, I find it amusing that you criticise me for pointing out that OUR GOVERNMENT played an ACTIVE role in the formation of this very problem with which we are confronted today! But hey, if you don't think our previous meddling in the Middle East has in any way influenced the animosity we now feel from that area, feel free to continue to misunderstand the gravity of this situation. Ignorance is bliss?
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There is bliss occurring. Frankly, I think the pirate concept was too much for you to handle. You mocking references to the topic completely escape overlook the importance of the connection.

The "meddling" you referred to...not that I agree....was created by Liberals who have pushed every major industry in America to foreign soil.
Including oil.

The reality is Liberalism is killing America.
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Postby aturner » Wed Jan 31, 2007 6:18 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DR
[br]BTW, my new foil helmet fits great! I'm going downstairs to warm it up in the microwave...
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Be sure to remove your head first! :D
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Postby An Appple Pie » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:10 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Navigator7</i>
D'Souzes word ring like a bell to me...I imagine it sound like a dull thunk to you.
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I still don't understand how you can go on criticizing the liberal bias of others while quoting possibly one of the farthest right-wing conservative writers in existence and acting like it's indisputable fact. Can you not see this?
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Postby SpudMonster » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:30 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by An Appple Pie
[br]<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Navigator7</i>
D'Souzes word ring like a bell to me...I imagine it sound like a dull thunk to you.
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I still don't understand how you can go on criticizing the liberal bias of others while quoting possibly one of the farthest right-wing conservative writers in existence and acting like it's indisputable fact. Can you not see this?
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It's because Nav will only agree with his own viewpoints. He's demonstrated that many times, and demonstrates it once again, while providing no evidence at all that liberals have actually aided and abetted terrorists any more than the conservatives. Unless you want to consider a biased, unsupported opinion as a fact.

Nav, if the conservatives are so damn mad about our dependence on foreign oil, why is it that they're the ones who aren't doing squat for renewable resources? We're simply funding the terrorists with every drop of fuel that goes into our tanks.
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Postby BewareOfDog » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:24 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>Originally posted by SpudMonster</b>
...We're simply funding the terrorists with every drop of fuel that goes into our tanks.
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Funny how you would feel free to exaggerate this supposed "fact", with no info to back it up. :evil:

Iraq only accounts for a lousy ~3% of the daily oil consumption in the United States. We get most of our oil from:

#1- CANADA
#2- MEXICO
#3- SAUDI ARABIA
#4- VENEZUELA
#5- NIGERIA
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Postby SpudMonster » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:43 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DR
[br]<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>Originally posted by SpudMonster</b>
...We're simply funding the terrorists with every drop of fuel that goes into our tanks.
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Funny how you would feel free to exaggerate this supposed "fact", with no info to back it up. :evil:

Iraq only accounts for a lousy ~3% of the daily oil consumption in the United States. We get most of our oil from:

#1- CANADA
#2- MEXICO
#3- SAUDI ARABIA
#4- VENEZUELA
#5- NIGERIA
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I learn by example Dave.
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Postby BewareOfDog » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:01 pm

SpudMonster,
<b>"Who's"</b> example are you learning from? You want links?

The top sources of US crude oil imports for November were Canada (2.065 million barrels per day), Mexico (1.462 million barrels per day), Saudi Arabia (1.444 million barrels per day), Venezuela (1.069 million barrels per day), and Nigeria (0.919 million barrels per day). The rest of the top ten sources, in order, were Iraq (0.589 million barrels per day), Angola (0.505 million barrels per day), Algeria (0.253 million barrels per day), Kuwait (0.253 million barrels per day), and Ecuador (0.243 million barrels per day). Total crude oil imports averaged 9.836 million barrels per day in November, which is a decrease of 0.296 million barrels per day from October 2006.

<a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html">Crude Oil and Total Petroleum Imports Top 15 Countries</a>

<a href="http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption">United States Oil Consumption : 20,030,000 barrels per day</a>
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Postby Navigator7 » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:15 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>Originally posted by An Appple Pie</b>

<i>Originally posted by Navigator7
D'Souzes word ring like a bell to me...I imagine it sound like a dull thunk to you.</i>


<b>I still don't understand how you can go on criticizing the liberal bias of others while quoting possibly one of the farthest right-wing conservative writers in existence and acting like it's indisputable fact. Can you not see this?</b>
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What are you suggesting is wrong? My views? Or quoting views that agree with mine? ....Or right wing views are inherently wrong? Or perhaps ....unpopular views are wrong?

I believe Liberalism is fundamentally wrong on every issue from A to Z and will shortly become the death of America. Liberals are killing this country. Short and sweet enough?

How do you like them apples? (Pun intended)

Do you have the capacity to counter a right-wing thinker with logic or facts?
Get your parents involved!

I can bring this server down with links to liberal bias, anti-American, anti-war, anti-Bush, and the seething cauldron of wicked Liberal activities that no more serve America....than surrender. (Just kidding about the server threat;-)

I've made a criticism. (Consistently)
And I will make more criticisms. (Consistently)
You think I'm bad here...you should see me in public!

I was escorted from Applebee's for making a liberal slime ball lady "cry" after she stood up from a crowded table full of folks bitching about the war and said [intercourse] Bush, [intercourse] Republicans and [intercourse] America!
I got kicked out for making a spineless liberal traitor maggot cry in a public place. She was welcome to stay after publicly shouting down her own country...that my friends is Liberalism Gone Wild!
Was nice to leave to a standing ovation though! ;-)


Ok Mr Pie......How about countering with something besides..."I still don't understand how you can go on criticizing the liberal bias of others..........."

Quoting D'souza....., who's book came out in 2007 was just convenience on my part.
My views have existed since clinton was elected. D'souza happens to agree with me!

Regardless.....
Would you point out to us where the disputable facts are?:
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I still don't understand how you can go on criticizing the liberal bias of others while quoting possibly one of the farthest right-wing conservative writers in existence and acting like it's <b>indisputable fact</b>.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

The last thing a conservative wants to be is ....wrong about facts.

EDIT:
Holy Shit!- A few quick changes to obsolete forum code tags and you can actually read AND understand "who" is saying "what". ~ sigh!
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Postby An Appple Pie » Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:44 am

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">What are you suggesting is wrong? My views?
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Ok Mr Pie......How about countering with something besides..."I still don't understand how you can go on criticizing the liberal bias of others..........."
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Navigator, you are wrong because you haven't provided any reasoning or logical foundation for any of the things you have stated on these forums, besides quoting a right-wing extremist who is more biased than the media YOU criticize. You are a hypocritical bigot!

What else do you expect me to counter with? There's only so much to talk about when you just say over and over and over "I believe Liberalism...will shortly become the death of America."

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Regardless.....
Would you point out to us where the disputable facts are?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
What?

<b>DR: </b>

Here's a list of the top oil producers of the world (and consumers). http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922041.html

Saudi Arabia is the largest producer and exporter.

Here's an excerpt from http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107947.html,
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Saudi Arabia and the smaller oil-rich Arab states on the Persian Gulf, fearful that they might become Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini's next targets if Iran conquered Iraq, made large financial contributions to the Iraqi war effort during the 1980s. At the same time, cheating by other members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), competition from nonmember oil producers, and conservation efforts by consuming nations combined to drive down the world price of oil. At the time Saudi Arabia had one-third of all known oil reserves...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

And another excerpt,
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Saudi Arabia's relations with the U.S. were strained after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacksâ€â€
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Postby Navigator7 » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:12 am

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by An Appple Pie
Navigator, you are wrong because you haven't provided any reasoning or logical foundation for any of the things you have stated on these forums, besides quoting a right-wing extremist who is more biased than the media YOU criticize. You are a hypocritical bigot!

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Everybody notice the name calling here? Two big bad words are used against me!

Let's see... I'm a hypocrite? Would that be like shouting down the war in Iraq in the street and then going to cash my welfare check? Or like Kerry, "I voted for the war before I voted against it!"

And.... I'm a bigot because I'm intolerant of Liberals...or perhaps stubborn minded over liberal ideaolgy?

Yes...I'll accept the name bigot as the insult you intended.
Tolerance is what liberals are all about. Everything is OK.

Bullshit!

That's why there is no justice in the courts, that why the crime in the streets, that why we are milked of our earnings as some worthless, spineless sap, can abuse a system and buy Alaska King Crab Legs on food stamps, alians can sneak to America and have babies and get full medical paid for with money from American's that can't afford it.....
....everything that makes you groan watching the news or reading in those pitiful group e-mails of liberal thought or the insanity of PC-ness.....that absolutely make no sense whatsoever...are liberal based.

I plead guilty to the intolerance of Liberals who are on the verge of causing the destruction of America....and if that is a bigot..... I wear it as a badge of honor!

I think Liberalism has made me as mad and as motivated as the terrorists ....who most likely cannot differentiate between the two species. (That being Liberal and American)

I've provided nothing but reason, logic and links to back up my claims and position since my first political post here.

What you are really saying is I make you uncomfortable!

Here is from my previous quote:
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o By fostering decadent and depraved American culture that angers and repulses other societies.- Especially traditional and religious ones.
o And by promoting at home and abroad, an anti-American attitude that blames America for all the problems of the world.

""""....It is not "America" doing this to them. it is the American cultural left. What traditional societies consider repulsive and immoral, the cultural left considers progressive and liberating""""<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

True, they are D'Souza's words but they parallel my thoughts exactly. I might consider suing him for plagiarism. Be pretty easy with the liberal courts today.

o Which sector of American society personifies decadency and depravity?

The American Left!

o Which sector of American Society has an anti-American attitude that blames America for all the problems in the world?

The American Left!

o America is not in the wrong. America's problems are caused by....

The American Left!

It should be as easy as an Appple falling from a tree to counter and stick up for Liberalism?

Where am I wrong?

Can you materialize any facts to counter me ...or dig up any evidence that suggests the Left is not a threat to American society?

(Note: that I haven't called Appple any names but I have suggested Liberalism and the Democratic Party is guilty of treason)
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