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Postby BewareOfDog » Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:37 pm

We've also conveniently side-stepped the question of:

" the exact regulations on these things are, so I don't end up thrown out of school or something".

Tex. Penal Code § 46.03(a) and (g) makes it a third degree felony to intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possess a firearm of any sort in the following locations:

(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution…unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;

Do not bring ANYTHING, which may even REMOTELY considered to be dangerous, to school with you.
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Postby Madprofessor1775 » Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:45 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mr.Plow
[br]<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">you should be fine with a combustion.its considered a firearm so what? People build guns from scratch all of the time. What do you think people do with those cut up AK-47s you can buy?They mill/bend a new receiver and install a new semi only trigger and use the thing. I cant see how that is very different from building one completely from scratch<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Building a legal firearm from a parts kit and building an illegal destructive device (spudgun) are VERY different.

While I won't get into all the legal aspects, one alone is all that is necessary to get my point across: caliber. Sure, you can build an AK from a parts kit, but it's a 30 caliber firearm. Shoot, you can even make a 50 cal. But if you were to make a 20mm, you'd be getting into treacherous territory which requires wading through lots of red tape. If it is classified as a firearm, then a spudgun would have to conform to firearm laws, noteably the restriction of firearms with a bore of diameter greater than .50 inches. Greater than that, such as the 20mm example, classifies it as a Class III Destructive Device. If you're caught in possession of an illegal (unregistered) destructive device, prepare for a prosecutorial ass beating.
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The .50 or bigger rule only applies to rifles with "no sporting purpose". As long as its a smoothbore he won't have any trouble.
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Postby Mr.Plow » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:29 pm

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The .50 or bigger rule only applies to rifles with "no sporting purpose". As long as its a smoothbore he won't have any trouble.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I highly doubt that would excuse him from prosecution. I know the shotgun loophole, but that'll most likely not work. Considering precedent, I'd rather stay on the safe side.
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Postby fullmetaljacket » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:46 pm

What about <a href="http://www.centuryarms.com.au/docs/4bore.html">4 bore shotguns</a>? Well over 20mm, still a destructive device?
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Postby jimmy » Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:37 am

How does Texas law regulate black powder muzzle loaders? IIRC, many are greater than 50cal and have rifled barrels.
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Postby Madprofessor1775 » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:42 am

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mr.Plow
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The .50 or bigger rule only applies to rifles with "no sporting purpose". As long as its a smoothbore he won't have any trouble.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I highly doubt that would excuse him from prosecution. I know the shotgun loophole, but that'll most likely not work. Considering precedent, I'd rather stay on the safe side.
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Its not a loophole, its just not a law. What he wants to do is 100% legal without question.

No DA in the country that isn't sniffing glue would bother prosecuting, because even a retarded defense attorney would get it thrown out of court.

Even if its considered a firearm, so what? Hes not going to sell it so it doesn't need a serial number.

I know your trying to be safe, but hes fine, I'd say do it. As long as he builds a safe cannon he'll be happy firing it and we'll have another member of this hobby.
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Postby Madprofessor1775 » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:43 am

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jimmy
[br]How does Texas law regulate black powder muzzle loaders? IIRC, many are greater than 50cal and have rifled barrels.
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A muzzle loading firearm isn't regulated by any federal gun law. Its not even really considered a firearm. You can have one sent to your house without a gun dealer if you wanted.

In fact, if you want a 5 pound field gun, you can have (and fire) it.
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Postby fullmetaljacket » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:48 am

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> In fact, if you want a 5 pound field gun, you can have (and fire) it.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Or a <a href="http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm">12 pound howitzer</a> :D
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Postby jimmy » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:22 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Madprofessor1775
[br]<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by jimmy
[br]How does Texas law regulate black powder muzzle loaders? IIRC, many are greater than 50cal and have rifled barrels.
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A muzzle loading firearm isn't regulated by any federal gun law. Its not even really considered a firearm. You can have one sent to your house without a gun dealer if you wanted.

In fact, if you want a 5 pound field gun, you can have (and fire) it.
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Really? What bizarre laws. I can have a 55cal black powder long rifle, accurate, and deadly, to >1000' but I can't build a combustion spud gun that'll barely <u>reach</u> 1000'.
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Postby Numbuh 16 » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:46 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Madprofessor1775
[br]<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mr.Plow
[br]<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="tahoma,verdana,arial" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
The .50 or bigger rule only applies to rifles with "no sporting purpose". As long as its a smoothbore he won't have any trouble.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I highly doubt that would excuse him from prosecution. I know the shotgun loophole, but that'll most likely not work. Considering precedent, I'd rather stay on the safe side.
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Its not a loophole, its just not a law. What he wants to do is 100% legal without question.

No DA in the country that isn't sniffing glue would bother prosecuting, because even a retarded defense attorney would get it thrown out of court.

Even if its considered a firearm, so what? Hes not going to sell it so it doesn't need a serial number.

I know your trying to be safe, but hes fine, I'd say do it. As long as he builds a safe cannon he'll be happy firing it and we'll have another member of this hobby.
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I really hope you are right, as long as I don't fire it in city limits, right? and yeah, it will be muzzel loaded, so, I guess it really wont matter. Also, I just figured out exactly WHY he said I'd need a pressure-release valve. He thought I was using cellulated core PVC. Everything I have is SCH 40.

As long as its legal, I'm going to go through with it. But, if I end up biting the buisness end of the long arm of the law, your CPU is fried.
Have a nice day. =)
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