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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:28 pm
by SpudBlaster15
Well, it is cold and dry up here in Canada, and I have been noticing an issue with my combustion launcher lately. I use a piezoelectric grill igniter as an ignition source, and it hasnt been working properly in the dry air. The current produced by the igniter will not jump my spark gaps, unless I blow into the chamber, effectively increasing the humidity a fair amount. When I do this, an arc occurs on every attempt, and this condition will maintain for upwards of 20 seconds, until the moist air is displaced by dry air. Has anyone else had a similar experience, and does my theory involving humidity sound like a plausible expanation as to what is occuring?


PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:38 pm
by BillyBobJoe
Seems plausible to me - higher humidity lowers the dielectric strength of air. Its interesting to note that Van der Graff generators and other static producing devices don't yield as much of a spark length in humid weather, as humidity and slight water deposits on insulators essentially shorts out such low current (static dependent) devices.

This is obviously not the case here, and can (as you would assume) be fixed by moving the eletrodes closer together.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:44 pm
by spuzi14
What's your chamber made of?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:30 pm
by SpudBlaster15
Thanks for the reply, BillyBobJoe.

The chamber is made of ABS pipe, though I dont see how that would effect anything.

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:16 pm
by TurboSuper
I would think that the addition of particles in the air increases electrical conductivity.

I've always figured that you get so much static in the dry air since it can't discharge as easily as in humid air.

I could be horribly wrong though[:p]

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:21 pm
by spuzi14
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I was making sure your chamber wasn't something like metal.

Where are the screws located? Toward the cap or toward the barrel?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:22 pm
by An Apple Pie
Yes that is true. I just remember that static electricity slowly goes away due to the water droplets in th air. So the more humidity, the faster the charge goes away.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:06 am
by randomvictim
That wouldn't apply to a piezoelectric sparker. For the microsecond that the charges would actually be traveling in the wires leaking charge is insignificant. What is important is the dielectric constant of the air.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:49 am
by Sardaukar
Can you shorten your spark gap? That would solve the problem.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:16 am
by aturner
I agree, it sounds like this problem is related to the humidity.

When setting up spark gaps, I recommend finding the maximum possible gap, and then reducing this gap in order to improve consistency. The most annoying thing is when you've got to keep clicking the button on a piezo.