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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:32 pm
by MrCrowley
jhalek90 wrote:I have to laugh (evil laugh) at the idea of a 1000 cubic inch 1.9" porting hybrid... I may do ot in the future... I might be able to get another tank like this one...
There already is a burst disk hybrid using a similar sized SCUBA tank (one of my favourite hybrids on the site). Hopefully it will give you some incentive to leave Gun Freak and join the ever growing dark side.

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:16 pm
by High-PSI
You need to get the weight of the tank and all equipment behind the barrel to reduce the recoil without rotating (twisting) the whole cannon in your hands. A 2 inch slug produces HUGE recoil (as you have noticed).

You may have to brace it against a tree to fire at high pressure. :D

So, this May I will be in southern Michigan at a "Father/Son campout". I will have my HPA compressor there along with my big cannon and maybe a couple other cannons. We do 22 rifles, large bore handguns, and shotgun/skeet. I have been bringing air cannons for a couple years. The guys have been looking forward to what will be brought each year.

You should join us.

Matt

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:27 pm
by jsefcik
High-PSI wrote:You need to get the weight of the tank and all equipment behind the barrel to reduce the recoil without rotating (twisting) the whole cannon in your hands. A 2 inch slug produces HUGE recoil (as you have noticed).

You may have to brace it against a tree to fire at high pressure. :D

So, this May I will be in southern Michigan at a "Father/Son campout". I will have my HPA compressor there along with my big cannon and maybe a couple other cannons. We do 22 rifles, large bore handguns, and shotgun/skeet. I have been bringing air cannons for a couple years. The guys have been looking forward to what will be brought each year.

You should join us.


bring me bring me bring me!!!! lol
Matt
:D :D :D

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:04 pm
by jhalek90
MrCrowley wrote: There already is a burst disk hybrid using a similar sized SCUBA tank
The second video in that topic says his tank is 353 cubic inches.
my take is labeled 1000 cubic inches.
It does not look like my tank is 3x the size though...

Either way, a burst disk hybrid should be easy.

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:44 pm
by MrCrowley
jhalek90 wrote:
MrCrowley wrote: There already is a burst disk hybrid using a similar sized SCUBA tank
The second video in that topic says his tank is 353 cubic inches.
my take is labeled 1000 cubic inches.
It does not look like my tank is 3x the size though...

Either way, a burst disk hybrid should be easy.
I did think his was smaller but not that small in comparison to yours! :shock:

My 'big' piston hybrid is a measly ~120ci :(

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:10 am
by jhalek90
The tank im using says on it 80 cubic feet!!!

Now, 80 cubic feet is 136,000 some odd cubic inches... there is no way that's right.

The part where it said 1000ci was on the neck, which has been replaced by a 2'' nipple.

I assume that 80 cubic feet, is how much air, when filled to the correct pressure for diving, it holds, After the air has expanded to 1atm. (hope that makes sense.) this is the only explanation for "80 cubic feet" i could come up with.

I am going to go find a tape measure, and check the volume of the tank, including the walls.

BRB

V = πr2h
The tank has a 3.5'' inch cross-sectional radius at the center of the tank.
r=3.5
The tank is 32'' in length.
h=32

V=3.14*3.5^2*32
V=3.14*12.25*32
V=38.46*32
V=1230 ci


the walls are pretty thick, but i think its safe to say, this is a 1000 ci tank. :-)

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:13 am
by High-PSI
Volume is calculated radius squared times pi times length.

1,000 ci is typical for a tank of that type. My scuba tank is 1,085 ci.

Matt

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:22 am
by jhalek90
High-PSI wrote:Volume is calculated as the length times radius squared.

1,000 ci is typical for a tank of that type. My scuba tank is 1,085 ci.

Matt
Ahh, ty. In my edited post above, i did the math. 1000 ci seems to be correct.

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:57 am
by High-PSI
Sheesh, my math was off as well. I forgot pi.

It is too early............ :?

Matt

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:32 am
by Technician1002
This is comparing apples to elephants. One measurement is the volume in cubic inches of space inside the tank. This is the number used here for GGDT and other math.

The other measurement is the volume of compressed gas the tank will hold at the rated pressure. So if you are using a Helium tank to blow up balloons and each balloon holds 1/4 cubic foot, you can tell how many it will fill.

The true volume of the inside the tank is stamped on it. In the US this is the WC number. Other countries use a metric equivalent. WC stands for Water Capacity and is given in Lbs. This is a measure of how much water in pounds it takes to fill the tank.

For air cannons, use the volume of the tank, not the compressed gas capacity in your measurements.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_WC_ ... opane_tank

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:12 pm
by jhalek90

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:13 pm
by jackssmirkingrevenge
Nice, I had missed this!

Needs some better projectiles though ;)

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:44 am
by jhalek90
jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:Nice, I had missed this!

Needs some better projectiles though ;)
Any relatively cheap ideas? I would love to shoot something with more penetration power. (oh god.... here come the jokes.)

EDIT: in the second video, you can see the projectile i was shooting, in the first set of damage pics.

It is a full bore, UHDPE slug, with steel washers bolted to it for a nose.

The tail is hallow, and the nose slightly tapered. Imagine a 2'' pellet.

It flies very straight.

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:33 pm
by jackssmirkingrevenge
If you can make a UHDPE slug, presumably you can make a UHDPE sabot ;)

With a drill press and 3/4" drill bit, you can make a good sabot for thiseasy and effective drag stabilised slug.

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You don't even need the sleeve, just chop the CO<sub>2</sub> capsule one inch from the pierced end.

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:32 pm
by shardbearer
I recommend newspaper pycrete. Take a piece of barrel with an endcap on it, roll up newspaper until it fits, fill with water, and throw it in the freezer. Has a tendency to fall apart when it hits the target, but it's cheap and the perfect size for your barrels.