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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:22 am
by chaos
judgment_arms wrote:BC pneumatics,
This may be a spud gun forum, but people also make there own small caliber arms, I.E. BBMGs, marble MGs, and these so called “snipers” (which still doesn’t make since.), which can be and are used for hunting, I.E. the reaper rifle by Experamint-u2. Now when Experamint-u2 discussed his successful hunts it offended a few of are fellows, to avoid such offences we could have a special section on hunting arms, home-made of course, so that discussion of the use of such arms could go on with out offending are fellows. If I wanted to talk about hunting in general I would go to another forum, but I wish to talk about home-made hunting arms, and the use of such devises. Now if I’m not to be offended by the “words” of others, why can’t I talk about hunting straight out, say I were to make a .50cal airgun (in layman’s terms, a marble “sniper”) and took a squirrel with it, if I were to tell people about that I would offend people, would I not? (But it’s just words, right? So there for they should not be offended as I should not be offended when people use crude language.)
Now why can’t there be a special section for “home-made hunting arms”? All I’m doing is trying to make a compromise, I wish to talk and hear about hunting with home-made arms with out offending those of my fellows that abhor hunting.
But then again I could be the only one here that wishes to discus such things…
And more on subject, I if people want I could do a how to on using Coke bottles, I’ve come up with an ingenious why of attaching the, both permanently and removable.
i would like a special section for hunting also,but if there are people that are offended by this couldn't we make like a disclaimer or agreement before entering the actual material.
peace
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:22 am
by jrrdw
Well, i know longer wonder why some people want to ban spudguns. Talking about hunting with them automaticly puts a dangerous spin on them.
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:31 am
by BC Pneumatics
judgment_arms wrote:BC pneumatics,
This may be a spud gun forum, but people also make there own small caliber arms, I.E. BBMGs, marble MGs, and these so called “snipers” (which still doesn’t make since.), which can be and are used for hunting,
Then such discussions should take place within the thread- but only where appropriate. I don't want to read about you shooting a cow in the ass with a 300mph tater.
Experamint-u2 discussed his successful hunts it offended a few of are fellows, to avoid such offences we could have a special section on hunting arms, home-made of course, so that discussion of the use of such arms could go on with out offending are fellows.
If they are offended by it, they can stop reading the post. No one is forcing them, and it isn't necessary to 'brush it under the rug'. If you are that concerned with feelings, put a disclaimer before your post.
If I wanted to talk about hunting in general I would go to another forum, but I wish to talk about home-made hunting arms, and the use of such devises.
This is okay by me, as long as these 'arms' are based off of pneumatics or combustion principles, and are of sufficient power to bring down the intended game. (Again, no pointlessly painful ass-shots.)
Now if I’m not to be offended by the “words” of others, why can’t I talk about hunting straight out, say I were to make a .50cal airgun (in layman’s terms, a marble “sniper”) and took a squirrel with it, if I were to tell people about that I would offend people, would I not?
As I said, I don't care if you do this. I even encourage it. Also, the following sentence: "(in layman’s terms, a marble “sniper”)" should read: "(in moron’s terms, a marble “sniper”)"
(But it’s just words, right? So there for they should not be offended as I should not be offended when people use crude language.)
Actually, this goes back to looking deeper. looking at what the words mean. In this case they mean "I killed a (previously) living creature."
Some people operantly find this natural act to be offensive.
Now why can’t there be a special section for “home-made hunting arms”? All I’m doing is trying to make a compromise, I wish to talk and hear about hunting with home-made arms with out offending those of my fellows that abhor hunting.
I already covered this twice
But then again I could be the only one here that wishes to discus such things…
Then people will tell ya to shut up. In the mean time, talk on.
And more on subject, I if people want I could do a how to on using Coke bottles, I’ve come up with an ingenious why of attaching the, both permanently and removable.
I'll leave this bit alone for now.
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:34 am
by BC Pneumatics
jrrdw wrote:Well, i know longer wonder why some people want to ban spudguns. Talking about hunting with them automaticly puts a dangerous spin on them.
It still provides no more reason to ban them, so long as they are used responsibly. Remember, we aren't talking about a 4" PVC cannon here- these are 'small bore' pneumatics most of the time- which are already in semi-wide-spread use as hunting arms.
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:37 am
by judgment_arms
Okay, so, are you saying that, when I get my small-bore airgun made, and when I take small game with it, it’s perfectly acceptable to talk about the hunt, would I be allowed to post…”damage pics”, with a disclaimer of course?
BC pneumatics wrote:
"(in layman’s terms, a marble “sniper”)" should read: "(in moron’s terms, a marble “sniper”)"
Wellll… I used “layman’s terms” so as not to offend people, but yeah I would agree with you there.
And on the question of whether it’s humane or not, a .177cal pellet traveling at 600FPS has a kinetic energy of about 6ft-lb that would be sufficient for taking squirrels, where as a marble (the weight of which I’m assuming to be around 22gr) traveling at the same velocity is going to have about 17ft-lb of kinetic. The larger projectile will “thunk” it harder than a smaller one, are marble gun could very easily nock it clean out of the tree, where the small .177cal pellet wouldn’t cause it to fall unless it died. Between the “thunk” and the fall... well let’s just say it’ll be a lot less painful on the little guy than a .177cal pellet.
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:11 pm
by MrCrowley
Im against hunting but as long as you discuss it within a new thread and not say your pneumatic cannon showcase thread for the new gun you just built to hunt animals. And also as long as its humane e.g Use proper ammuition(not live rounds) or metal pellets. Also a disclaimer in the new thread you may make to discuss it would also be nice.
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:20 pm
by WOW!!
I can do one about soldering brass pipe and fittings, if you want me too.
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:58 pm
by pyromaniac
isn't it a bit illegal to hunt without a proper firearm?
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:52 pm
by BC Pneumatics
Yes, it is.
Thankfully, these are not firearms.
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:11 pm
by pyromaniac
thats kinda what i meant they arent even fire arms so shouldint it be illegal to hunt with them.
I still support the hunting comuntity though
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:38 am
by Recruit
Yes, I dont remeber where I saw it but it is illegal to hunt with our "spudguns" and surprisingly must people have never fire a potatoe out of their guns that they can spudguns.
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:09 am
by WOW!!
And since some of them arnt really powerful enough to kill it, you would probloe be charged with animal cruite.
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:19 am
by joannaardway
I'd agree that if a creature were hit by a 200 m/s marble, it's "more humane" than being hit by a 100 m/s 1g steel BB pellet. But that doesn't necessarily make either of them "right". Ok, occasionally some people may use their spudguns in a "hunting" fashion.
I'll admit to having sniped at a squirrel that was wrecking the bird-feeders in the back garden. But that was with my brother's f*-off massive piston cannon using a heavy steel ball bearing (doing at least 450 ft/sec) - In other words, if I even glanced the thing it would be dead before it hit the ground. I won't offend anyone by telling them if I hit the damned thing.
Judgement_arms - there is enough free to use forum software/servers out there. Create one of your own where you can discuss such matters.
Away from such matters:
-Did CornishTiger not create a soldering guide on UKSGC? Perhaps you could ask for permission to copy it.
-My brother definately created a How-to use GGDT thread over at UKSGC (I should know - I helped for some of it) as well, so I'll ask him about that.
Should I do a "How to argue politely thread"? It'd probably be a good addition - as polite disagreements are nicer than raging conflicts.
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:28 am
by BC Pneumatics
pyromaniac wrote:thats kinda what i meant they arent even fire arms so shouldint it be illegal to hunt with them.
You are correct. This is why bow hunting is illegal in all 50 states, and 98.7% of Canada.
Recruit- think you could find that source? I would like to have a look at it, since I don't recall ever seeing it.
Also guys, lets not forget, we really aren't talking about hunting with a 2" bore cannon here, this is more along the lines of home made small arms that are actually capable of penetration and high velocities. A potato doesn't have near the cross sectional density that is required to be a useful (and 'humane') hunting projectile at the velocities we use, and anyone trying this should be jailed on stupidity alone.
(Honestly, who wants to track a deer for nine hours while it slowly dies from internal bleeding?)
Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:33 am
by joannaardway
I don't know - it's possible to kill instantly without breaking the skin, just through sheer blunt impact trauma.
It's not penetration that kills, it's how densely energy is distributed to the target.