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Ok if you pull out of a country your at war with and don't come back, you've lost. You guys lost Vietnam, they would of over-powered you unless you nuked 'em which you wouldn't of done.

And for your information America didn't win WW2 but they did win WW1. Im saying in WW1 without America we would've lost. In WW2 the Russians won the war. Simple as that. America on D-Day were up against 80% Polish/Russian and other troops that weren't German, the ones that were German were too old or too young. The real German army were fighting the Russians. The war probably would've lasted to 1947 but the Russians would've won.

Oh and I think its time for theopia now. If we want to get really serious head over to www.theopia.com and start a topic there.

Well, NL_bjorn, once again i'm sorry this got away from your subject. It's obvious we all have our own opions about history, lets hope all our furtures hold more good times then bad. I think the rest of the members involved in this disagreement owe NL_bjorn an apology as well.

^Agreed. There's definitely been enough flag-waving and sabre-rattling here and I apologise for my part in it.

Hmm...N.L. As a Brit serving in Germany I visited NL a few times. I found the people friendly and outgoing. I was impressed with how beautiful Amsterdam was in autumn (fall).
I was told the Dutch have a saying,:- "Holland has everything except a roof." and they were right. The weather is nearly as bad as ours.

finally there are too many international conflicts on the internet, I apologize to for any harm,
I don't know much about NL but I can't imagine that it is very different from most of Europe

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I don't know much about NL but I can't imagine that it is very different from most of Europe

Geographically speaking, Holland is quite different to anywhere else I've ever seen. It's most striking characteristic being it's flatness. With the exception of coastal dunes, most of the country is actually below sea-level!
A lot of Holland has been reclaimed from the sea. Drainage and water management has been an on-going programme since the 1500's. - A truly massive and successful project of which they can be proud.

America would have won in Vietnam if it wasnt led from behind a desk some 5000 miles away. And WWII was won by Americans, whether directly from soldiers or indirectly through loans and war material sold to allies. So back off of America, Europe is in debt to us and until you can match our weapon systems you will always need us around.

well i think of weed, seems like a clean country (not much trash blowing around) and easy to get nice looking prostitutes, of course this is what i have seen on the internet about holland. oh ya and its the home of my favorite muay thai boxer Ramon Dekkers! he is bad ass. i would like to visit some day.

Just a question,how much debt is America in for the Iraqi Invasion?And it's always about the weapons.WWII the germans and all opposing forces were definitely loosing,the use of a Nuclear device was mainly in my view a test to see how the bombs went in a real situation.What does every one think about moving this to Theopia?

Muay Thai Boxing full stop is bad ass,love that stuff.I had a school teacher who was a Muay Thai boxer,he got me to hold some pads for him once when he was training and jesus christ it was like being hit by a piece of wood.

Definitely move it to Theopia.Amazingly the debt for this war is small stuff compared to all the Pork barrel politician spending.Politicians love to bring up how much this war is costing but at the same time they want to spend billions on an indoor artificial Rain forest in the midwest(hello its a prairie out there) or other worthless junk.Amazing

SHUT UP!!
WE WANT TO GET BACK TO THE TOPIC
no more just one question, no more "but"s, no ney never shut up, I could esailly argue and help debate Goat but this thread needs to get back on subject.
hey I have an idea, NL_bjorn edit the title of this thread to add no more debating

Conversation starter for the Theopia thread.I'm quite aware that we need to be back on topic.So SHUT UP!! You are contributing, yourself.

Back to the Netherlands.How is it and are most of our opinions wrong?

My cousin just got bakc 2 days ago from 4 monthes in lyden. it has more canals then venice. o and you can buy bikes form hobos for 10 euro. they steal them.o no microwaves or freezers there.

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EDIT: Sorry sorry I'll shut up now.

Hello, I'm American, not even out of middle school, and don't know much about the Netherlands.