Paintball kills man (Maybe)

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Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:56 pm

battlemonkey wrote:Or being shot point blanck to the neck/throat
I've taken them in the throat from close range, I know other people who have taken them in the throat from close range. We're still alive.
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:00 pm

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battlemonkey wrote:Or being shot point blanck to the neck/throat
I've taken them in the throat from close range, I know other people who have taken them in the throat from close range. We're still alive.
the key words are point blank not close range :wink: although you could probably still survive, it will vary from person to person.
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:00 pm

oh, i thought that it might cause your wind pipe to swell and make you choke like getting stung by a bee on the neck
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:02 pm

Gettign stung by a bee on the neck isn't a death sentence. It is if you're allergic to bees, but that's anaphalactic shock, not blunt force trauma.
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:07 pm

I think that, at completely point blank range, a 300 fps paintball that hit directly on the larynx could probably cause death by suffocation by breaking the small bone inside, but I don't know if that is actually possible.

And like paaiyan said, unless your body has an extreme allergy (anaphylaxis) to bee stings (formic acid I believe), a single one won't kill you.
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:38 pm

@Sparkey: Things are supposed to be limited to 300 fps, but we all know there are people who chrony, then just crank their markers back up to maximum power as soon as they're in battle.

As for the rest of it, it's media sensationalism. If he'd been for a jog, and suffered a heart attack from that physical exercise, we would have heard nothing.
It just so happens that the physical exercise this man did was paintball, so that's the only reason we're hearing about it. It's the flimsiest of links, a bit like a claim that I died in a gunfight two weeks ago (link here) because someone sneezed on me in that gunfight and I died of a cold.
It's of course preposterous. I was shot 217 times, was forced to rapidly regrow my left arm and had to throttle the last gang member until he was unconscious, but I did not die in that fight or from a subsequent cold, regardless of what the media says.

I don't think any properly chronoed marker will kill. There are cases of people having been killed by punches, and in some cases, central nervous system overload without the skin even having been breached, but those are instant, and require much larger impacts than the wimpy 0.3 Ns of momentum of a paintball.
A PB marker is about 10 ft-lbs, which is far too low to cause any real damage in a projectile that size and hardness.

Also, people need to learn the meaning of point blank. Point blank is the maximum range at which your weapon will still make a hit on the vital area of a target without adjusting the elevation. Some old cannons had point blank ranges of around a kilometre. Wiki
What you mean when you say point blank is "extreme close range".

I think that largely sums up what's happened and what could.
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:42 pm

^its not hard to kill someone by punching them, you just have to know where 8)
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:11 pm

Of course I know where.
I also know how to nearly untraceably cause someone to slowly naturally suffocate over the course of about half an hour while you run off to establish an alibi - but I'm not telling you how to do that.
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Ragnarok wrote:Of course I know where.
I also know how to nearly untraceably cause someone to slowly naturally suffocate over the course of about half an hour while you run off to establish an alibi - but I'm not telling you how to do that.
that could be useful, although i presume the 'victim' woul dknow they were being suffocated? the only way i can think of doing it would be with carbon monoxide but i don't know how long that would take to suffocate someone in the way you described
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:31 pm

ALIHISGREAT wrote:Although i presume the 'victim' woul dknow they were being suffocated?
No, the method has them completely unconscious within seconds, then they just slowly suffocate in their sleep. It actually requires no equipment whatsoever, but I've probably already said too much, so I'll stop.
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:35 pm

Ragnarok wrote:
ALIHISGREAT wrote:Although i presume the 'victim' woul dknow they were being suffocated?
No, the method has them completely unconscious within seconds, then they just slowly suffocate in their sleep. It actually requires no equipment whatsoever, but I've probably already said too much, so I'll stop.
:lol: yeah all it takes is for someone to have a bad day and bam there is an unconcious body lying on the floor slowly suffocating, i wouldn't trust me with that knd of knowledge :wink:
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I wouldn't trust me with that knowledge either, god knows what the person who told me how to do it was thinking.
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Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:44 pm

@ Rag That kindof freaks me out :shock:

but it doesnt surprise me. Some one can be paralyzed if you know where to hit them, and possibly kill.

Our body has too many weak, vital areas. I think we are going to evolve again into a more "armored" homosapien.

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Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:38 am

Actually there is a case where a pepperball hit a girl in the eye socket and caused her death. Not sure if the capsicum oleo resin is heavier than a normal fill or not.
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Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:04 am

Victoria Snelgrove under the safety section, a pepper spray round put a hole through the bone behind her eye.
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