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Simple Watergun Question

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:22 pm
by TheTrooper
When a 2-liter bottle is half-full with water, is it still safe to bring it to 100 psi?
Or would the water have some effect on the limit because its cutting the chamber volume in half?

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:30 pm
by benstern
I think so, although 100 psi might be pushing it. People into water rockets would be able to answer this better.

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:32 pm
by TheTrooper
Well when i did water rockets with 2-liter bottles, we used 80 psi to launch them, so i guess i should just keep it at 80. It's powerful enough already.

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:49 pm
by MaxuS the 2nd
Another simple watergun question..?

Why a watergun?
Is it because it's just something different?
I mean I could understand building a watergun that releases high pressure water quite slowly so it lasts for a while atleast...But the waterguns that are appearing on Spudfiles recently only fire water out in a short burst..

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:50 pm
by Biopyro
Water bottles which are used for fizzy drinks will easily hold 100psi. Filling them with water makes it much less dangerous because of the reduced energy stored. The volume halved just means you need half the number of pumps to reach the same pressure. Be wary of going over 70psi with a water gun because if a hose clip fails then you've got yourself an unintended water rocket!

Nice to see everyone taking a less dangerous twist to spudgunning this summer :P

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:54 pm
by iisthemuffin
In my enginneering class last year we built bottle rockets with a science class and they were safe up to 150 psi. They do tend to get dangerous that high but its not unsafe if you have the proper clamping equipment. I believe we launched them all at 120 without a problem.

EDIT - be sure to use pop bottles or carbonated drink bottles

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:55 pm
by MrCrowley
We went up to 160psi at school with our water rockets. My physics teacher didn't understand the risk, even though I told him that they could fail very easily at such a high pressure.

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:56 pm
by TheTrooper
if a hose clip fails then you've got yourself an unintended water rocket!
What do you mean by hose clip Biopyro?

Edit: Oh yeah heres my water gun http://www.spudfiles.com/forums/viewtop ... tml#190652
It shoots in long bursts.

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:08 pm
by Biopyro
A jubilee clip, I think they have a different name in the US.

That's a great cannon! A little simplified version of the one I'm planning :D

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:13 pm
by TheTrooper
Thanks Biopyro, your backpack water gun inspired me to build this simplified one. But remember, i can still add a second tank.

But I'm guessing its still safe to bring it up to 80-100 psi with the water still in there right?

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:29 pm
by Biopyro
Yeah looks fine, I think that hose would go first. Good thing about this is though you're more likely to get wet than injured. It may be worth measuring the performance increase with pressure. Above 60psi you tend to get diminishing returns.

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:37 pm
by TheTrooper
Thanks, good thing the hose has 100 psi safety rating.