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Steel Wool Ignition

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:09 am
by magnum9987
Most Ignition Systems rely on sparks. But these are susceptible to gunking up. I am sure all of us have done, or at least seen it done, ignite camp fires by hooking up a nine volt to steel wool. Well, to me it sound extremely reliable. Several nine volts hooked up to steel wool spanning the diameter of the ignition chamber. EVen though the one nine volt should suffice, several more would increase the voltage of course, thus, more energy going through the small diameter threads that are the conductors.
All in all, it sounds more reliable, as it also has more surface area, more contact with the gases, so more energy to burn.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:12 am
by jackssmirkingrevenge
For a more professional setup, you can use a glowplug or the type seen on small model engines.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:18 am
by magnum9987
Price? Im sure steel wool is cheaper.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:21 am
by pizlo
Yeah, but its reusable for a LONG time. The steel wool would need replacing a lot sooner. Also the wool may ignite the fuel right near the barrel, or in another not optimum place. But try it, Spudguning is about innovation.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:45 am
by magnum9987
Another innovation would be the ion propeled spud, but enough of star trekk.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:48 am
by D_Hall
Steel wool is a standard ignition method in the hobby rocketry world. Admittedly, they do it a bit different there...

1) Steel wool.
2) Oxygen (or nitrous if O2 is not available).
3) A flourescent light transformer.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:04 pm
by psycix
It might be cool to do with a mortar style gun:
Have the 9V battery sit in the chamber, and attach a bit of steel wool to the end of the projectile.
It ignites on dropping in. Only problem is that the fuel will fly out when your projectile is not yet in place.

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:04 pm
by Tom
psycix wrote:It might be cool to do with a mortar style gun:
Have the 9V battery sit in the chamber, and attach a bit of steel wool to the end of the projectile.
It ignites on dropping in. Only problem is that the fuel will fly out when your projectile is not yet in place.
Then fill the projectile for the mortar with hydrogen, your clever enough to know why :D .
G's from the Dutch

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:12 am
by psycix
Soda bottle launcher?
Thats a good idea! Holding the fuel inside the bottle, and attaching steel wool to the bottle end. Drop em in and fire!

Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:46 am
by magnum9987
RPG Time! You have solved my dilemma!

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:06 pm
by jimmy101
Steel wool has not only been proposed many times, it has been used many times.

Works fine, couple problems though. The biggest is the need to replace the steel wool for each shot. For a spark located near the center of the chamber this can be a real PITA. Often folks will mount the steel wool in the cleanout cap to make it easier to change. Great for reloading but probably not the best location for the ignition point.

One solution would be to switch to small diameter platinum, iridium, or perhaps nichrome wire. It might be possible to heat the wire hot enough to ignite propane+air without burning up the wire.

Glowplugs are made from platinum or iridium wire and survive the conditions in diesel engines. In these engines the plug does not ignite the fuel, they are just used to heat the fuel+air mixture in a cold engine.

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:14 pm
by Coodude26
I see a different problem - If you're using PVC, won't the steel wool singe the chamber, eventually leading to a dangerously thin chamber wall?
I think you would have to use steel pipe for this to work in the long run, but there's a problem there, too - steel is conductive, so not only would you not be sure of when exactly it shoots, you may zap yourself (if you are holding it)

Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:34 pm
by Tom
Coodude26 wrote:I see a different problem - If you're using PVC, won't the steel wool singe the chamber, eventually leading to a dangerously thin chamber wall?
I think you would have to use steel pipe for this to work in the long run, but there's a problem there, too - steel is conductive, so not only would you not be sure of when exactly it shoots, you may zap yourself (if you are holding it)
Zapp yourself with a 9V battery :D .
You can make two contacts for the power source, those two contacts are ending in the center of the chamber(maybe with burst-disc). Drop the mortar in the launcher the the contacts (four in total) will connect and ignite the steel wool inside the chamber. Simple but effective(i hope)
G's from the Dutch, Tom

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:03 am
by magnum9987
Tom wrote: Zapp yourself with a 9V battery :D .
how about 3?

As the only amount of time needed to ignite the chamber will be less than two seconds, by that time the 3 9v will completely disintegrate the steel wool, and by that time the combustion would have happened.