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Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:24 pm

Hey guys, so this is an outline of what I want to build
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Chamber will be 1 1/4'' x 6'', barrel will be 1/2'' x 24'' sleeved inside of a 1 1/4'' pipe, 8'' of the 24'' will have holes drilled into it to act as a suppressor. The 1 1/4'' sleeve will be filled with steel wool, would this work well? Any advice to change the design for better efficiency would be greatly appreciated.
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Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:32 pm

If it is combustion don't use steel wool.
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:25 am

what should I use then?
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:06 am

Fiberglass mat would work well. Try and find something denser then the blown wall insulation.
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:24 am

mobile chernobyl wrote:Fiberglass mat would work well. Try and find something denser then the blown wall insulation.
For a combustion, one of the things you want to do is absorb heat, so fibreglass matt would not really contribute.

Get your hands on this stuff, and a tub of lithium grease.

I recommend watching this video:

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Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:22 pm

can someone explain whats wrong with steel wool? I see that recommended in other threads here. Also, what is the point of those rings that kind of split up the inside of the siencer into different sections? Baffles I think they're called? Are they necessary?
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:54 pm

Is this for a combustion, hybrid or pneumatic?
If it's for pneumatic forget the steel wool and use baffles.
If it's for combustion or hybrid, steel wool is fine but copper wool conducts the heat better so it performs better at cooling the gas.
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:00 pm

combustion, so copper wool it is
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:06 pm

Having a few baffles is still a good idea though, they help slow down the gas a lot, giving more time for the heat to dissipate to the copper wool and surrounding structure.
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:08 pm

Fine steel wool is also prone to at best disintegrating after being subjected to combustion gasses, at worst bursting into flames.
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:25 pm

are the baffles just empty space or are they filled with insulation as well?
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:29 pm

They are just empty spaces. Seriously, watch that video Jack posted, it will show everything you need to know.
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:40 pm

hmm just watched the video, still don't understand why there are multiple baffles, why not just have one long baffle?
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:02 pm

The baffles are the separators, not the spaces in between.

Have a look at this impressive high speed footage of what is going on inside a modern suppressor:

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Each baffle creates turbulence, which gives the gasses more time to cool as well as making the passage more difficult for the gas which follows. A suppressor with no baffles is generally much less effective.
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Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:41 am

When making a silencer, would the length of the silencer count as part of the barrel? Would a 16'' barrel with a 8'' silencer count as a 24'' barrel? I'm planning on having a 1:1 C:B ratio, would it be a horrible idea to port the whole length of the barrel and sleeve it with insulation?
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