mrfoo, I get the feeling that you know what you are talking about and could be a great help to me. Thanks for chiming in, any help is much appreciated
As for mixing, I have been thinking about it before, and currently the mix could potentially be really bad (as in fuel/air not mixed together properly, and not the ratio) in the initiator chamber, but might be better in the corrugated tube due to the turbulence in the tube, but honestly, when firing the thing 3-5 times a second, I don't know how much of the tube is filled with fresh mix if any, maybe it's only the initiator chamber that fills with fresh fuel/air mix, I simply can't tell.
Regarding resistance, notice the red part on the exit end of the corrugated tube, this is what I call the "barrel" as it is the part that will be visible on the RC plane as a gun barrel (I will of course make the part from metal on the final version). This part reduces the ID of the corrugated tube from around 16mm to 13mm and thus must present some kind of resistance to flow. I think I also mentioned this in a previous post, that the barrel part actually increases sound volume when shortening the corrugated tube, why it does this, I'm not sure but it could be something with a higher pressure at the outlet due to the reduction in ID, but it's very welcome, as it makes everything easier to fit in the RC plane when I can shorten the corrugated tube.
If you look at the attached picture, the fuel-stream pulls in air in the orange "mixer" as I call it. In the connecting chrome color tube, the only thing that could promote mixing in that tube is the step in diameter from the orange mixer ID of 8.6mm to the ID of the chrome tube of 13mm (same as barrel ID). And maybe there will be some mixing when the flow enters the initiator chamber as the ID then increases again. There is no "obstacles" to promote mixing. Maybe I could get better performance by making something to help mix the fuel and air.
What I did try at a very early stage, after finding that the weed burner geometry works well, was to shorten the chrome tube, to use less space, but that wouldn't work, apparently there was then too little mixing to even fire the thing. I have also wondered if a longer tube would be better, but I haven't tried it, as I cut the weed burner tube right before it starts to bend (and I will have a hard time sealing a bend pipe onto the initiator chamber).
I have also tried to redo the mixer, so instead of threading it into the chrome tube (which is how it is done on the weed burner) I made a mixer that mounted on the outside of the chrome tube, but that wouldn't work either, and I was thinking it was because that step in diameter I mentioned was missing, not because it was the only thing promoting mixing, but I was thinking it had something to do with some back pressure when firing, as if the step was missing, then too much of the pressure (upon firing) from the initiator chamber would escape through the air inlet (the flames from the inlet I also mentioned) and this would prevent a good flame acceleration in the corrugated tube. But maybe I was just missing a good mixing.
When printing the new mixers, I tried connecting one to my air compressor, just to get a feel of how much air it actually outputs. If I block the air intakes on the part, I can hardly feel any air coming out, even when putting the output to my face (more sensitive around the lips and nose). This must be due to the fact that the only air escaping the output, is what is coming out of the 0.3mm nozzle, but this is expanded to the 8.6mm ID of the "mixer", making the air speed very low. When unblocking the air intakes, the venturi effect really kicks in and I can easily feel the air stream with my hand, even at a distance.
I have an anemometer/wind speed meter, just a cheap one from ebay, and I was thinking I could make an adapter to fit between the anemometer and the 13mm tube, and then measure the air flow speed of just the mixer, and then the barrel, and compare these to see if there is much of a difference - I think this could be a way of checking whether there is any significant resistance in the system, just to convince myself of what you are saying
So how can I proceed with testing?
I have some ideas:
- Force air into the intake by powerful radial fan or air compressor, and see if that will allow me to fully open the propane flow (maybe not directly related to the mixing but to any resistance).
- Make a longer chrome tube, see if this improves anything.
- Add mixing promoters in the chrome tube, maybe a coil at the wall like the ones Shyasuna uses.
- Exchange the chrome tube for some corrugated tube, this should improve mixing, see if it improves performance.
- Test the "step-less" mixer again, but this time add another mixing promoter instead of the ID step, any of the above solutions if they turn out to work.
I'm in no hurry to get the system installed in my RC plane, winter is coming (as the Starks would say) here in my country, so I would rather have a very reliable system that is well tested and optimized than rush it into my RC plane. Also, I love all this testing stuff, it's very educational 8)
Another update: I'm getting help from my local RC plane forum with the carbon fiber stuff for the initiator chamber, and I have ordered some braided glass fiber sleeve and carbon fiber rovings, and the plan is to have 2 layers of glass fiber sleeve in between 2 layers of carbon fiber sleeve. This way, the initiator chamber will be stiff from the carbon fiber and very tough from the glass fiber. The rovings should be used to wrap around the braided sleeves to keep them close to the shape of the mold and to get the sleeves to form around the corrugated tube, or tubes, if the intake tube ends up being corrugated too
Very exiting stuff, this project
EDIT: I just thought of something. All Shyasuna's tests were made with a gas burner with piezo ignition, so the ignition point is close to the burner outlet. Since I started using the HV modules to generate the sparks, I have just placed the spark point in the middle of the initiator chamber. Would it be worth trying a different location, or maybe multiple locations?