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Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:00 pm
Author: Blitz
And like I said, not a bad thing! Mine's rather low so I haven't built anything worth posting. That'll change soon now that I've gotten a promotion that allows me to work less for more money. Go capitalism!

Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:43 pm
Author: SpudBlaster15
MaxuS wrote:No, you seem to have missed the point, again.

I don't think you realise that I'm saying spudding costs more when you are outside the US, due to the fact that your economy is completely collapsing.


The point you are attempting to convey in this post is entirely different from the one you attempted to tell me in your last post. Telling someone that they missed the original point, then changing your explanation of the "point" such that it completely alters it in the next paragraph comes across as more unintelligent than your original post.

And for the last time, I don't live in the United States!

MaxuS wrote:If you managed to build a launcher for $100, good for you. The shipping for importing from the US would cost $80, then there's the customs tax you have to pay.


$80? What kind of courier are you using that would rip you off so substantially? A USPS Priority mail international flat rate box will cost you less than half of that. Although you wouldn't be able to ship large lengths of pipe in such a box, I'm sure you can handle the extra $10-20 you will pay at a hardware store overseas. Or, you could likely find it for free if you are creative enough. This was one of my original points, if you had bothered to do more than skim over my writings.

MaxuS wrote:By the end of all this, if I sourced my parts from the same places that you do, it would esily cost $200, not $100.


No. I am not in the United States, and given the price range of commercial suppliers in my area, I could potentially pay similar prices to what you pay for a launcher. Double or more than what Americans would pay given the same circumstances. But I don't, because as DYI said, you can get parts for cheap or free if you know the right people and sources.

MaxuS wrote:Now, I understand that you say spudding doesn't have to be expensive. But it's quite difficult sourcing parts to make an awesome cannon when all of these parts cost a crap load more outside the US. Now yes, I could scavange parts, but why would I want to make a ghetto-P.O.S when I could be building something awesome.


I've seen plenty of excellent cannons constructed for relatively low prices by people outside the United States.

MaxuS wrote:For example: I recently started building a 140mm combustion cannon (just under 5"), 1m of 140mm alone cost $50. If I were to carry on with this project, to be in the sme league as the launchers that americans can build, I would have to shell out a further $200, or $300 for all the components. Due to that fact, I gave it up.

Spudding doesn't have to be expensive, no. But it's going to be if you're going to make large bore, high powered launchers. Let's face it, that's the main type of cannon you get on here.


Look at DYI's post. He doesn't live in the USA, yet he has managed to build an entire large steel hybrid chamber with a barrel for less than $70. Spudding doesn't have to be expensive no matter where you reside. If you truly want to build a launcher, it is MUCH easier to scavenge parts for such a device than it is for almost all other hobbies, and with a bit of effort, you will be able to achieve success.

MaxuS wrote:I'd prefer it if you didn't question my mental state, it's quite insulting and I'm sure that wasn't your intention.


I judge people based on what they portray of themselves. If you don't want your cognitive function questioned, then take the time to read my post, understand my point, and respond accordingly.

Unread postPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:17 pm
Author: MrCrowley
DYI wrote:Spudblaster's got it right: you can do a lot for very little if you know where to look.

Case in point: my prototype hybrid.
-12" of 4" SCH 40 steel pipe - free from my school
-60 pounds of 1.75" normalized steel plate - free from my school
-2" steel pipe nipple - $3 from surplus at a hardware store
-2" steel union - $8 from same surplus
-welding and tapped threads on all of this - $20, because i told the welder that i'd send him the videos of it firing
-capacitor based ignition system - free from disposable camera and friend with relay and ignition coil
-current barrel for 5x and under - leftover from a previous project
-meter - $130 (but could have been done conventionally for under $30)

Total cost for a 150ci, 10x hybrid, without the fancy meter: less than $70

Its only expensive for me because I make it expensive.

You also have to remember all those free items are reflected by the price of them originally.

i.e. That 4" pipe is cheaper in Canada then here, therefore you are more likely to find it being given away for free.

That's like saying you found some 2" pipe in America for free, it only costs a few dollars so I wouldn't be surprised to see it get chucked. Here it costs about $17USD a meter.

Little bit exaggerated but you get my point.

Unread postPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:13 pm
Author: DYI
The reason that the plate and pipe were free was that the school shop got them as leftovers from the welder, then realised that they didn't have any tools that could do anything to them :roll:

Unread postPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:01 pm
Author: MrCrowley
Ah well you see in NZ, you're not allowed to weld until University. Even as a senior we're not supposed to use metal in shop, even though we have a bunch of arc and oxy/acetylene welders.

Horrible isn't it? :(

Unread postPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:13 pm
Author: MaxuS the 2nd
It's like teasing.

We started welding (basic welding, but still welding) when we had just started secondary school. It differs alot throughout the world.

Unread postPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:25 pm
Author: Spuddin
i didnt read the entire thread so this may have been posted already but one way to make money is in scrap metal, walking down the road picking up cans is a good start, i've done this many times. the aluminum prices round here is about 50 cents per pound, copper and brass much higher. even car battery's are going for about 4 bucks a piece.
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