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maximising FPS
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:53 pm
by steelhead
I am going too build an all steel spudgun.
I want a coaxial design, and the dimentions are as follows:
reservoar data
Outer diameter : 4 inch
lenght : 20 inch
volume :215 in3
barrel data:
1,5 inc bore
lenght 45 inces
valve data:
4 inch diameter
seat diameter 1,5 inch
barrel seal type
according to GGDT v4.4 the muzzle velocity produced is around 306 fps if loaded with 20 PSI of air.
Any ideas/recomondations?
I do have acces to a metal spinning lathe...
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:39 am
by drac
If you use 100 PSI in a metal cannon, you could probably get close to supersonic, or past it. Definitely more than 100 PSI. Also, make the barrel about a foot longer, longer barrels always yeild more velocitty.
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:13 pm
by bubblebathman
yea but longer barrel u could have some down affects and great idea bout all steel i say go for it
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:19 pm
by boilingleadbath
What do you mean by "down affects"? I'll admit that a longer barrel is bulky, but a 4" steel cannon won't exactly be portable anyway.
Anyway, what is the projectile mass here? I'd venture to geuss about 15-20 grams.
(and how long is the barrel?)
You might want to make the barrel bigger, possibly 2".
I often don't understand the reasons of people making metal cannons - they build said cannon, but then they only pressurize it to 100-150 psi. I mean, what's up with that?! Normal sch 40 is rated to 3-2 times that, and even sch 80 is cheaper than steel. I mean, what's the point of making a cannon out of material that can safely take 800 psi, and then pressurizing it to 100?
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:54 pm
by laz91
what at 20 psi 320 fps that doesn't sound right at all how can it go that fast with so little psi?
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:59 pm
by drac
Because the flow on a piston valve is so high, it pushes it out harder and faster (oh god, that sounded wrong
). People can vaporize spuds with a properly made piston gun.
Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:56 pm
by boilingleadbath
The ammo is light weight - that's the only possibility:
I made a rough model of this gun using the GGDT, but used a burst disk with 80% flow instead of a piston valve (G#1). A second model was made, using a 3 oz piston and a .5" vent, 50% flow (G#2).
G#1 reached 304 feet/sec at 20 psi with a 23 gram projectile.
G#2 reached 307 feet/sec at 20 psi with a 21 gram projectile.
(I said 15-20 gram, didn't I?)
Re: maximising FPS
Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:25 am
by frankrede
steelhead wrote:I am going too build an all steel spudgun.
I want a coaxial design, and the dimentions are as follows:
reservoar data
Outer diameter : 4 inch
lenght : 20 inch
volume :215 in3
barrel data:
1,5 inc bore
lenght 45 inces
valve data:
4 inch diameter
seat diameter 1,5 inch
barrel seal type
according to GGDT v4.4 the muzzle velocity produced is around 306 fps if loaded with 20 PSI of air.
Any ideas/recomondations?
I do have acces to a metal spinning lathe...
AT 20 psi?Wow,in my pneumatic at 20 psi. The potato would roll out of my barrel.Jk,I havent tryed it at 20, It works fine at 130