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Unread postAuthor: brogdenlaxmiddie » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:32 pm

The reason that there is currently a crisis on wall st. is because of the fact that people are pussies. They are freaking out and pulling all of their money out of the stock market. That then creates a selling frenzy. Personally, in the last year alone we've lost over 2 million dollars, in the stocks alone. My dad isn't freaking out. This is just about people that are pussies. There is a good thing in this though. All of the little girls have pulled out and all the people that actually know what they're doing are staying. In a couple of weeks, it will start to level off. So, if you have money in the stock market, be a man and take it. Actually now, we are taking money that we have stored away and actually BUYING stock. See the thing that people don't understand is that the stocks will rebound. Period. So, buy 'em when they're cheap and sell 'em when they're hot. Then take out the money that you put in and store it ;) See, the stock market is like an ocean, and the US just put a biggg ship on it :D (Ok, I have no idea the correlation of my analogy, but hey, leave me alone :P )
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Unread postAuthor: starman » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:54 pm

I'm convinced the US "economic crisis", at least all the bailout hysteria a couple of weeks ago, was a very carefully timed "crisis" to coincide right before the elections...yes a not so blatant attempt to affect election outcome. The more chaos the better in the eyes of the perpetrators.

Things are slowing down a bit, but smart money is buying folks. Oil is dropping like a rock and could settle down in the $30-50/barrel range...hard to believe from just a few weeks ago.

Recession? I for one, refuse to participate... 8)
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Unread postAuthor: Gippeto » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:01 pm

@ Rag;

I say NI to you!

And;

My dog has no nose. :wink:

As regards the global economy, we are in for stormy times IMO.

I can't see things being the same as the 30's but it will be different than it is now.

Already we are seeing the banks going back to 20% down for a mortgage. Housing prices are falling big time, and new housing starts are falling off just as fast.

Oil is falling off, and in my corner of the world, that means exploration and new projects (capital expenditures) are being put on hold. Big business is digging in for the long haul.

On the whole, I see things slowing everywhere. I guess we wait for christmas and see how the consumers respond to the lowering of interest rates.

Sure looking like it's time to duck and cover.

Hope I'm wrong.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:38 am

Ragnarok wrote:I'm pretty sure JSR will know what it's all about.


Recognised it immediately I'm ashamed to say, the scene where the Tommies are running across no man's land amidst shellfire while reading it out is pure gold :D
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:50 am

Gippeto wrote:My dog has no nose.

jackssmirkingrevenge wrote:Recognised it immediately I'm ashamed to say

You see, here we have two people who have some taste.
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Unread postAuthor: i-will » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:02 am

Blitz wrote:I could care less. I wouldn't give my truck up if the price of gas doubled today. It also helps that my morning commute went from 30 to 3 miles. :D


that is what the gas company is counting on. people r so in love with their vehicles that they will pay anything to keep them. making them gas friendly only cost about $20 in materials and a little internet instruction. i'm talkin bout a electrolysis tank that splits water into 2 gases and only needs to be connected to the alternator and the carburetor. i'm gonna do it to my crx when i get it. it'll double or even triple gas mileage.

and don't tell me it doesn't work. i made a small torch that can cut a soda can using the same method.
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Unread postAuthor: Ragnarok » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:45 am

i-will wrote:and don't tell me it doesn't work. i made a small torch that can cut a soda can using the same method.

Yeah, but your problem here is that it takes energy to split the water into gasses, which takes power from your alternator, which needs your engine to work harder, and that requires the use of extra fuel. Because of inefficiencies in each stage, the net result is a loss.

If the gasses added by the electrolysis can somehow improve the efficiency with which it burns the petrol in the cylinder, that may be another matter, but there is no way the hydrogen and oxygen provide you with any free power themselves. Like I said, the laws of thermodynamics make their production an energy loss (there is no other possibility, end of)

The chances also exist that it reduces fuel efficiency (and indeed, that's what the laws of thermodynamics would suggest - excepting the possibilities in the paragraph above), or perhaps even damage your engine.

But whatever it does, forget about it doubling or tripling the fuel efficiency - those figures are completely impossible.

Equally, there are other ways to get more out of your fuel. Adaptations to your driving style, or alternatively, shedding unused weight from the car - anything you're not using, and won't need, take it out.
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Unread postAuthor: starman » Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:53 am

i-will wrote:
Blitz wrote:I could care less. I wouldn't give my truck up if the price of gas doubled today. It also helps that my morning commute went from 30 to 3 miles. :D


that is what the gas company is counting on. people r so in love with their vehicles that they will pay anything to keep them. making them gas friendly only cost about $20 in materials and a little internet instruction. i'm talkin bout a electrolysis tank that splits water into 2 gases and only needs to be connected to the alternator and the carburetor. i'm gonna do it to my crx when i get it. it'll double or even triple gas mileage.

and don't tell me it doesn't work. i made a small torch that can cut a soda can using the same method.


You're in way over your head here...you're not going to double or triple your mileage. It takes more power to split the hydrogen than you'll get back out of it when you burn it in the engine. Where are you going to get that kind of electrical power to carry with you?? If you had it, why not just directly drive an electric motor with it than waste it on a highly inefficient electrolysis system?

What's wrong with the gas co's counting on my business? I want gas, they want to sell it...it's really that simple. People are in love with their cars because it represents freedom and a vastly improved way of life. We here in the US are guaranteed that freedom....at least for now anyway.... :roll:
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Unread postAuthor: i-will » Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:19 am

sweet then love ur car all u want. i know i'll love mine. as for the gas co. they can raise the price as high as they want. u got no choice but to pay. how does $5-$10 a gallon sound.

to do this project it will take electricity from my car but that is the same electricity used to power subwoofers and dvd players. i don't need that stuff. not much of a sacrifice. it requires 12v at 20-30amps. it's a 89 honda. it doesn't need a lot of electricity at all.

also there is a model that was created by stanley meyer that creates enough hydrogen to power a car independently. and it also uses much less power (he claims half an amp) and generates much less heat over time. look him up. he was killed for his work because it threatened the oil market.

my reasoning is that he did it. why cant i.
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Unread postAuthor: jackssmirkingrevenge » Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:29 am

i-will wrote:i'm talkin bout a electrolysis tank that splits water into 2 gases and only needs to be connected to the alternator and the carburetor. i'm gonna do it to my crx when i get it. it'll double or even triple gas mileage.

and don't tell me it doesn't work. i made a small torch that can cut a soda can using the same method.


It works in the sense that yes, the electrolysis process works - however there seems to be no reliable scientific data available to prove that it actually does increase your mileage. The basic scientific flaw in the plan is that you appear to be extracting more energy than you're putting in, which as we all know is simply not possible.

The subject of "HHO" has been discussed before on the forum, have a look here. Myself, I'm not convinced.

i-will wrote:also there is a model that was created by stanley meyer that creates enough hydrogen to power a car independently. and it also uses much less power (he claims half an amp) and generates much less heat over time. look him up. he was killed for his work because it threatened the oil market.


I did look him up, and:

According to Meyer, the device required less energy than conventional electrolysis and what physics says is possible. Also, if the device worked as specified, it would violate both the first and second laws of thermodynamics, allowing operation as a perpetual motion machine. Meyer's claims about his "Water Fuel Cell" and the car that it powered were found to be fraudulent by an Ohio court in 1996.


Ah well.
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Unread postAuthor: mrbadexample » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:06 am

Gippeto wrote:
I can't see things being the same as the 30's but it will be different than it is now.

Already we are seeing the banks going back to 20% down for a mortgage. Housing prices are falling big time, and new housing starts are falling off just as fast.


that's what caused the whole debacle, Clinton, Barney FrAnk(G) and the democrats pushed freddie and frannie to make banks give "bad" loans (0-3% down, no credit checks, etc) to make housing "affordable" to those WHO COULDN'T AFFORD IT!

as Rev Wright, friend of Nobama, would say "the chickens have come home to roost!"
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Unread postAuthor: mrbadexample » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:28 am

HHO aka Browns Gas, is a farce, as far as using it as a supplemental fuel to a fossil fuel engine. Let's do the math...

on youtube, makers of these "generators" claim their little bottles can generate one liter of HHO per minute, let's say they hook it up to an '89 honda civic 1.5 liter engine, a 1.5 liter engine, by nature, sucks down 2,250 liters of fuel/air mixture @ 3,000 RPMs, 472 of those liters is O2, what will one liter of HHO add to those 2250 liters of fuel/air or the 472 liters of pure O2? :snorting:

i've debated the makers of these generators on youtube until they shut down their comments/ratings for their videos! :D
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Unread postAuthor: starman » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:54 am

i-will wrote:sweet then love ur car all u want. i know i'll love mine. as for the gas co. they can raise the price as high as they want. u got no choice but to pay. how does $5-$10 a gallon sound.
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why cant i.


You're darn tootin' I will. Oil co's are constrained to pricing gas at what the markets say, not what some CEO or dictator says. Where are you getting your nonsense info?

i-will wrote:why cant i.


Because laws of physics declare that you can't.
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Unread postAuthor: TurboSuper » Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:43 pm

Well, if you really do manage to double or triple your gas mileage, give this guy a call:

http://www.aardvark.co.nz/hho_challenge.shtml

As far as I'm concerned, it's plain nonsense. Your car needing less fillups after installing such a system does not count as evidence, btw.
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Unread postAuthor: al-xg » Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:25 pm

Given all the things petrol is used for (like plastics, medecine, computer chips... etc) its crazy that we are still burning it just for freedom and a certain life style.

Some MIT researchers have a new neutral catalyst for electolysis, made from cobalt and phophate, wich could be used for a large scale eco hydrogen production, as it is made from cheap and readily avaible components.
But hydrogen, doesnt seem to be a very good means of storage, people just want to use it be cause it means they won't have to redesign or reinvent engines wich would cost too much money.

Oil companies say petrol will run out in 50years, but it will probably be less, as they know very well that as long as they say they still have loads left they can still sell large amounts.
The miraculous solution could be nuclear fusion, if they do ever get it to work reliably, but we'll probably be out of oil quite some time before that happens. So things will have to change in the meanwhile.
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