(plz help me w/) my 1" piston

Show us your pneumatic spud gun! Discuss pneumatic (compressed gas) powered potato guns and related accessories. Valve types, actuation, pipe, materials, fittings, compressors, safety, gas choices, and more.
User avatar
FishBoy
Corporal
Corporal
Posts: 575
Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 5:51 am

Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:22 pm

Ok, i'm in the process of making a piston-valve pneumatic, and I have a question. First I will explain my valve, The piston itself consists of a slightly sanded 1" x 2" wooden dowel, a bolt, 3 small washers, a nut, and a 1 1/4" neoprene washer with a 1" neoprene washer on top of it as the sealing face. When the piston is in the housing, the sealing face is to big to fit into the 1" pipe, so it stays in the gap in the middle of the 1" tee with the dowel extending into the 1" pipe leading to the pilot. Anyway, my question was, do i need any kind of bumper sice (i think; correct me if i'm wrong) the piston will not leave the tee.

edit Ok, i'm changing this, all i care about now is since this won't work, how can i fix it?? :(
Attachments
A simple diagram
A simple diagram
This is what it looks like
This is what it looks like
Last edited by FishBoy on Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:10 am, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
elitesniper
Sergeant
Sergeant
Posts: 1090
Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:40 pm

Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:47 pm

barrel needs to be smaller then the sealing face, there no pressure acting on the piston from the front, so it wont actuate.
User avatar
FishBoy
Corporal
Corporal
Posts: 575
Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 5:51 am

Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:50 pm

sorry, could you explain that again?
User avatar
FishBoy
Corporal
Corporal
Posts: 575
Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 5:51 am

Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:58 pm

ya, if you look @ my diagram, you can see how the piston seats onto the 1" pipe going to the barrel (however i may remove the front, small, neoprene washer)
User avatar
MrCrowley
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 10078
Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:42 pm
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Been thanked: 3 times

Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:38 pm

The barrel needs to be a smaller diameter then the tee socket. There has to be a gap between the seat (where piston seals against the barrel) and the tee. There needs to be a pressure on the front of the piston, in your diagram because the barrel is the same diameter, there is no force acting on the front of the piston.
User avatar
daxspudder
Specialist 3
Specialist 3
Posts: 300
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:22 pm

Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:20 am

yes you need a bumper, and the pilot volume needs to be as small as will still allow air to be released, which I might be wrong but only need to move 1/4 of the T diameter.

your diagram is alright, but has already been shown a ton of times on this site, I personally have posted an animation that shows it off quite well... MRC=Diagram Nazi
Attachments

[The extension swf has been deactivated and can no longer be displayed.]

"<I>For dare to be peace, I have to keep at it everyday, da Man doesn't take days off so neither can I</I>" -<B>Bob Marley</B>, day before a performance, a day after being shot in the chest. "<I>If you are the big, big tree, we are the small axe, ready to cut you down!</I>" -Bob again :brave:
User avatar
MrCrowley
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 10078
Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:42 pm
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Been thanked: 3 times

Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:25 am

Sure am dax :wink:

Here's a How-To I forgot to link in my above post:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Golfbal ... That-Shoo/

It's not for 1" but it shows the principles well enough.
User avatar
daxspudder
Specialist 3
Specialist 3
Posts: 300
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:22 pm

Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:32 am

Nice how-to, I read your post, and had not seen this until now.... you need a spud tattoo on your forehead, I love this stuff but try not to obsess... like somone MRC
"<I>For dare to be peace, I have to keep at it everyday, da Man doesn't take days off so neither can I</I>" -<B>Bob Marley</B>, day before a performance, a day after being shot in the chest. "<I>If you are the big, big tree, we are the small axe, ready to cut you down!</I>" -Bob again :brave:
User avatar
mega_swordman
Corporal
Corporal
Posts: 526
Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:37 pm
Location: Bay Area, California
Contact:

Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:40 am

Here is a basic diagram of what is being said.
Attachments
piston diagram.JPG
piston diagram.JPG (19.51 KiB) Viewed 2630 times
"Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." George S. Patton
User avatar
FishBoy
Corporal
Corporal
Posts: 575
Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 5:51 am

Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:33 am

wait I have 1" pipe going to a 1" x 3/4" female adaptor (i wanted interchangeable barrels). Will my piston not work like this?
And if not, how can i fix it?? :(
User avatar
jackssmirkingrevenge
Five Star General
Five Star General
Posts: 26179
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:28 pm
Has thanked: 543 times
Been thanked: 321 times

Donating Members

Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:42 am

If the outer diameter of your piston is the same as your barrel, your piston will never work, A solution would be to find some (say, 3/4" inner diameter) pipe and epoxy it inside your adaptor in such a way that the piston seats against it.
hectmarr wrote:You have to make many weapons, because this field is long and short life
User avatar
FishBoy
Corporal
Corporal
Posts: 575
Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 5:51 am

Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:50 am

ok, thanks, i'll try it
User avatar
jackssmirkingrevenge
Five Star General
Five Star General
Posts: 26179
Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:28 pm
Has thanked: 543 times
Been thanked: 321 times

Donating Members

Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:57 am

Just to clarify:
Attachments
Dibujo.GIF
Dibujo.GIF (8.36 KiB) Viewed 2586 times
hectmarr wrote:You have to make many weapons, because this field is long and short life
User avatar
psycix
Sergeant Major 4
Sergeant Major 4
Posts: 3684
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:12 am
Location: The Netherlands

Donating Members

Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:09 pm

Just learn that pistons always have to be larger then the pipe they seal against and your fine. :D
The only reason for this is that frontal area is needed.
Till the day I'm dieing, I'll keep them spuddies flying, 'cause I can!

Spudfiles steam group, join!
Post Reply