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Cross VS Tee Piston Valves
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:30 pm
by clemsonguy1125
If a piston valve was built in a tee and cross which would have greater power. The cross would have 2 2.5 foot 2 inch tanks and the tee would have 1 5 foot 2 inch tanks. At 75 psi wouldnt the cross have greater performance because it would have better flow. Assume both had the exact same pressure, piston, chamber volume and pilot valve. Wouldnt higher pressure remain throught the shot better with 2 short chambers than one long chamber.
Thanks Clemsonguy1125
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:42 pm
by Technician1002
Simple fluid dynamics would show that for a given flow in the barrel, the velocity in each half of a cross would be 1/2 that of a T.
Lower velocity in each half equals less losses. With the less losses in the cross, it can flow better. This is why I'm a fan of coaxial designs with large diameter chambers.
Re: Cross VS Tee Piston Valves
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:43 pm
by spudtyrrant
clemsonguy1125 wrote: At 75 psi wouldnt the cross have greater performance because it would have better flow. Asume both had the exact same pressure, piston, chamber volume and pilot valve.
OK air can only flow through your port so fast, so if you built both of your cannons perfectly and to exactly the same specifications they should be exactly the same power wise. but only if they both have more flow than the port size. other factors may effect them such as turbulence, but that comes down to the quality of the build.
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:48 pm
by clemsonguy1125
Ok, I understand your point but with one chamber is it getting the maximum amount of flow that it could have with 2
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:51 pm
by Technician1002
A piston in a T has to open farther than a piston in a cross for the same cross sectional opening between the chamber and barrel. If both pistons opened at the same speed and same distance, the piston in a cross would be open the same cross section to flow in less distance.
In other words, it open more area to flow in the same amount of time. It effectively opens faster and then opens further.
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:54 pm
by clemsonguy1125
ok I think I understand, are you saying a cross piston would work better, or is the performance increase or decrease to small to notice.
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:59 pm
by Technician1002
I have not built either. How much performance change is there, I don't know.
I do know my latest valves have higher flow than average cof according to GGDT.
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:03 pm
by clemsonguy1125
Ok thanks, but what is cof
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:06 pm
by spudtyrrant
coefficient of flow, its how much flow your valve lets through
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:09 pm
by clemsonguy1125
Ok, Thanks
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 6:13 pm
by Technician1002
Coefficient of Flow. It is a measure of the ability to flow in a valve.
Low numbers is low flow.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_coefficient
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:34 pm
by Gun Freak
Go with a cross, as said before it has some advantages. Plus it's only been done a few times before. Good luck.
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:54 pm
by mobile chernobyl
Cross valves just do it better...
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:30 am
by Technician1002
Don't use a DWV cross. Use a sched 40 or better.
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:57 am
by Gun Freak
Large crossed are hard to find in sch 40, maybe try an irrigation store.