High pressure 50cal rifle

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Fri Oct 06, 2023 5:20 pm

I posted some time ago showcasing a high pressure 'Toolie' style valve I built out of stainless steel. This is the progression of that project. I'm sorry for making a new post, but I figured it'd be easier than modifying my old one. Feel free to move this if needed.

shown below is the valve assembly. The valve is composed of a hammer-needle style valve which actuates the Toolie piston. In total, I'd estimate around 2.5in^3. This was build mostly out of 303 Stainless on my lathe. The sealing faces in the picture are made of brass, which worked great for about 30 shots, but then became problematic (likely due to dust/contaminants). I rebuild the sealing faces out of Delrin, which has worked consistently.
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Piston with barrel.jpg
Below you can see the rear of the pin from the hammer-valve.
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Below shows the business end of the valve
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Here is the gun as it currently sits. All black portions (aside from handle) are 3d printed with Pla Tough. The handle is from an old paintball gun I had, with the sear extended to reach my hammer and re-hardened. The barrel bushings are turned out of Delrin.
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rear profile of rifle.jpg
front profile of rifle.jpg
Below shows the Barrel in the locked position, and in the Loading position
Bolt Locked.jpg
Bolt Open.jpg
Shoulder Rest.jpg
Below shows the hammer which is mounted in the lower tube of the rifle. I wanted to have as long of a barrel as possible, and didn't want the air to have to work its' way around corners, so this configuration seemed the best. The top piece of steel is what actually makes contact with the pin on the hammer-valve. This was measured to just barely open the valve to its' maximum depth without smashing it into the Piston on the other side. The lower portion of these pictures show the hammers larger mass, as well as the face that presses against the sear.
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Close hammer exploded.jpg
hammer together.jpg
Below shows the Rifle in the 'Uncocked' position, further shows it in the 'Cocked" position
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Below shows the current fill-port. This is a one way valve, so the rifle can be pressurized, then the pump/source removed. The elbow on the opposite side is the exhaust port for the valve.
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Inside of the stock is a 1/2" threaded rod that I smoothed down to act as a guide for the main spring
guide rail in stock.jpg
Here is the primary ammunition I shoot. 3d printed Sabot, with a spherical opening in the top for a 1/2" ball bearing to be glued in. Extremely cheap for what it is. Note the rear end has a small protrusion. This protrusion fits as closely to the valve face as possible, to avoid dead space.
Printed round.jpg

Obviously this rifle is not finished yet, but here's where it's at so far. I have yet to hydro-test this valve, so I haven't pushed the system past 1700PSI. Burst calculations show that the materials should be able to handle up to 12000psi, so my eventual use of 4500psi should be safe (once again, pending hydrotesting to a higher level).

At 1700Psi, a very lightweight 3d printed projectile will break the sound barrier (I'm still not completely clear on how an expanding wave of pressure can propel an object faster than that mediums' speed of sound, but it does), and the steel-bearing round will run at something just shy of 800fps.
The gun is LOUD. I am working on a suppressor for it, which is in its beginning stages. This is why the muzzle and front of the lower tube appear as of yet unfinished.

At some point, I'd like to do some longer range testing with this gun. It has a smoothbore barrel as I haven't the want to spend big bucks on a rifled barrel, and haven't used any of the Gun-Drills I won in a machinery auction some time ago (nor a threading broach).

This site is what got me into the hobby somewhere around 16 years ago. Thank you to those of you still around.
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Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:54 am

Here are photos of 2 test shots done today, in Feet Per Second

Done at 2000psi
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The mass of this last shot is 147grain. This gives an energy of ~230ftlb. Not too shabby for a bit under half pressure.
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Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:04 pm

Obviously looks great!
Speaking to the silencer, are you planning to use the extra length of lower tube for expansion volume?
If you're beating your head against the wall trying to figure out how to rifle the barrel, and you have a 3d printer, you can take a look at electrochemical rifling.
Good job!
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Mon Oct 23, 2023 9:43 am

Thank you! This has been a fun project so far. I believe I'm going to (sorry for the pun) bite the bullet and purchase a .50 barrel/barrel liner to make one with. In an effort to maximize performance, I believe a professionally built (read "highly consistent bore") barrel will be my best bet.

As for the suppressor, I have a few 3d models I'm playing with. Unfortunately the barrel needs to turn before it pulls away from its locked position, so I'm not able to think of a solid way to utilize the lower tube for expansion.
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Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:41 am

Pennywise wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2023 5:20 pm
The sealing faces in the picture are made of brass, which worked great for about 30 shots, but then became problematic (likely due to dust/contaminants). I rebuild the sealing faces out of Delrin, which has worked consistently.
I remember wondering about this in your first thread and to be honest I'm not surprised you needed to move to a softer material.

That being said, absolutely fantastic work on getting it to this condition. Going supersonic with air alone is always very gratifying :D
(I'm still not completely clear on how an expanding wave of pressure can propel an object faster than that mediums' speed of sound, but it does)
The theory as I recall is that there's some level of shock heating involved, and speed of sound rises with temperature as density drops, so while you are using air to push something through the air, the former is not in the same state as the latter.

Excellent job and I look forward to seeing the full pressure testing!
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Wed Dec 20, 2023 9:42 pm

Sweet launcher, lots of well thought out details!
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Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:22 am

Impressive project and commitment to it. :)

If you want to purchase a barrel, you might try Mike at Tj's. Mike makes a lot of the barrels used in big bore air rifles and has some more "air powered" specific rifling rates as well. These are hammer forged liners of very good quality. Mike can be reached @ 1(859)635-5560 or sayersms@fuse.net

Shipping outside of the US may present a problem.

Umarex may be a source for a barrel as well. (Spare part for the "Hammer" pcp).
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