Balistic gel.
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boilingleadbath
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"is it the same conistency as human flesh?"
No.
Even the specilized ballistics gelletin (maybe especialy the specilized stuff?) is significantly less durable than the real deal. (or, rather, freshly euthanized pig leg; they don't do many tests using human tissues)
It thusly tends to give overly dramatic representations of the effect of temporary cavity - it will often fracture when real flesh wouldn't.
...and, yes, "calibrate": 1 steel bb at 590 fps should penetrate 9.5cm.
No.
Even the specilized ballistics gelletin (maybe especialy the specilized stuff?) is significantly less durable than the real deal. (or, rather, freshly euthanized pig leg; they don't do many tests using human tissues)
It thusly tends to give overly dramatic representations of the effect of temporary cavity - it will often fracture when real flesh wouldn't.
...and, yes, "calibrate": 1 steel bb at 590 fps should penetrate 9.5cm.
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joannaardway
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Surely, beyond the original gelatin, a extra "binder" (don't know what) could be added to help give the stuff a thicker and tougher effect.
It could be worth experimenting with.
The slow motion videos of ballistics gel on mythbusters look impressive, but as BLB said, it doesn't look "right". It still looks too fluid and fractures too much.
Or, of course, you could do some thing like the "water box o' truth".
Measure the distance that the projectile goes through water, and halve it for a good estimate.
It could be worth experimenting with.
The slow motion videos of ballistics gel on mythbusters look impressive, but as BLB said, it doesn't look "right". It still looks too fluid and fractures too much.
Or, of course, you could do some thing like the "water box o' truth".
Measure the distance that the projectile goes through water, and halve it for a good estimate.
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rna_duelers
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Just add some glues to it,not sure which type maybe the kind used in wood working PVA I believe.
If that does not work just experiment,until the right consitancy is found.
joannaardway-If i am correct(usualy not)a human body is made of 75% H20 so would you measure how the projectile went in the water by 3/4ths or 75% of the whole distance coverd??
If that does not work just experiment,until the right consitancy is found.
joannaardway-If i am correct(usualy not)a human body is made of 75% H20 so would you measure how the projectile went in the water by 3/4ths or 75% of the whole distance coverd??
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boilingleadbath
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RNA, let's formulate our own answear to that using a different example:
"can one estimate the penetration of a projectile into a box filled with of <i>25% steel plates and 75% water</i> (by weight) by taking .75 times the distance said projectile would penetrate in water?
...that is, "no".
...but I've heard good things about the ballistic simulation of "wetpack". (or something like that)
...oh, and you guys might think http://www.brassfetcher.com is pretty neat.
"can one estimate the penetration of a projectile into a box filled with of <i>25% steel plates and 75% water</i> (by weight) by taking .75 times the distance said projectile would penetrate in water?
...that is, "no".
...but I've heard good things about the ballistic simulation of "wetpack". (or something like that)
...oh, and you guys might think http://www.brassfetcher.com is pretty neat.
I think its just gelatine. No heating or anything.
EDIT: oops sorry about that false information. There are different methods. Look here for a non-cooking method. http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_n ... ation.html
EDIT: oops sorry about that false information. There are different methods. Look here for a non-cooking method. http://www.tacticalshotgun.ca/content_n ... ation.html
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Well, I took a pouch of gelatin... it showed the 1:9 ratio on it.. and it just said 1/4 cold water, 1/4 boiling water.. i didnt want to take the trouble to start the oven etc... so I did it in the microwave 
worked great... mixed everything and right now it's been 30 minutes, already solidifed.. i'll still give it 30 minutes to an hour.
worked great... mixed everything and right now it's been 30 minutes, already solidifed.. i'll still give it 30 minutes to an hour.Youpee doupee, Signature ability is mine!
It seems like the ratio is correct! I tried with my two minis (yes, I have two now!). Nothing actually went through that "jello". Just a few dents.
Tried with a few stuff.. peppercorn (of course didnt work) and even a small wood screw
Tried with a few stuff.. peppercorn (of course didnt work) and even a small wood screw
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Infernal Maveric
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Ok, I havn't posted here for ages but i couldn't help but not post.
On the Mythbusters, Carri, Grant and Tori used a "Balistics WAX" in an underwater shooting experiment.
I know we arn't talking about underwater shooting, but because cooking gelatine is alot less specialised than balistics gel is, making it a 1:40+ ratio might make a thick enough consistancy to make it more "realistic" if you know what I'm getting at.
The balistics wax looked realy hard and wasn't fully see-thru like the balistsics gel was, so maybe someone on these forums could give it a try and see how it goes?
On the Mythbusters, Carri, Grant and Tori used a "Balistics WAX" in an underwater shooting experiment.
I know we arn't talking about underwater shooting, but because cooking gelatine is alot less specialised than balistics gel is, making it a 1:40+ ratio might make a thick enough consistancy to make it more "realistic" if you know what I'm getting at.
The balistics wax looked realy hard and wasn't fully see-thru like the balistsics gel was, so maybe someone on these forums could give it a try and see how it goes?